Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA and MAMP/Apache (Mac)

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2018

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texte = 1645--Apple-Mail=_ABF0FDC9-252D-4420-B3DD-552CAD3FD53EContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8I just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their own =hardware anymore.After having our own hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have =been given a new lease on life by not having to deal with any of that =now by using cloud services.I won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & power in =the office.All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers with =Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have built at =Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be financially =viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to maintain. No =need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a network =engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at 11:30pm on =Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even administer =servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And when the =hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another instance and =I get an email telling me about it when I wake up.Then the other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, internet =connection redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice control - =not my concern anymore !If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the time, you =probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a product that =is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are still looking =for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell phones will =ever take off.Kind regardsStuart TremainPharoah Lane SoftwareAUSTRALIAwebdna@idfk.com.au> On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome =wrote:>=20>> The purpose is quite simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to>> something else which includes a GUI. Primary usage is>> Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.>=20> I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and I> have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I switched.>=20> Webmin lets me do practically everything I need to do on a server> via its GUI interface. First I use the VPS host's control panel to> setup the initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything> else.>=20> I do not expect anyone who's been running Apple servers for> so long to want to learn a new system. After all humans are> creatures of habit who are often determined resist change,> sometimes for far longer than they should.>=20> But ...>=20> If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan decides to switch,> using Webmin to manage a Linux server makes a lot of sense.>=20> Regards,> Kenneth Grome> WebDNA Solutions> http://www.webdnasolutions.com> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration>=20>=20>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list talk@webdna.us> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail=_ABF0FDC9-252D-4420-B3DD-552CAD3FD53EContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8I =just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their own =hardware anymore.

After having our own hardware both onsite and in a datacenter =I have been given a new lease on life by not having to deal with any of =that now by using cloud services.

I won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in =the office anymore, it is far cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a =month to have a development server than it is to have something in a =rack taking up space & power in the office.

All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the =office plus 20+ servers with Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & =Nexcess. The system we have built at Amazon we could never replicate =with our own hardware and be financially viable, or for that case have =the technical expertise to maintain. No need to carry spare HDs or other =circuitry, no need for a network engineer, no more call outs to deal =with hardware issues at 11:30pm on Christmas night after a hard day or =partying. I can even administer servers from 30,000+ feet in an =aeroplane these days. And when the hardware fails, it is already running =seamlessly on another instance and I get an email telling me about it =when I wake up.

Then the other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, =internet connection redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, =noice control - not my concern anymore !

If you are wondering why Apple Server =is changing all the time, you probably need to ask yourself if Apple =really care about a product that is very quickly becoming obsolete - =that is unless you are still looking for a pay phone because you don=E2=80==99t think that cell phones will ever take off.

Kind regards

Stuart Tremain

Pharoah Lane Software

AUSTRALIA

webdna@idfk.com.au

On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.com> wrote:

The purpose is quite =simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to
something else =which includes a GUI. Primary usage is
Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.

I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and =I
have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I =switched.

Webmin lets me do practically =everything I need to do on a server
via its GUI interface. =First I use the VPS host's control panel to
setup the =initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything
else.

I do not expect anyone =who's been running Apple servers for
so long to want to =learn a new system. After all humans are
creatures =of habit who are often determined resist change,
sometimes =for far longer than they should.

But ...

If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan =decides to switch,
using Webmin to manage a Linux server =makes a lot of sense.

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database =Systems and Linux Server Administration

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1645--Apple-Mail=_ABF0FDC9-252D-4420-B3DD-552CAD3FD53EContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8I just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their own =hardware anymore.After having our own hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have =been given a new lease on life by not having to deal with any of that =now by using cloud services.I won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & power in =the office.All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers with =Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have built at =Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be financially =viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to maintain. No =need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a network =engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at 11:30pm on =Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even administer =servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And when the =hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another instance and =I get an email telling me about it when I wake up.Then the other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, internet =connection redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice control - =not my concern anymore !If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the time, you =probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a product that =is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are still looking =for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell phones will =ever take off.Kind regardsStuart TremainPharoah Lane SoftwareAUSTRALIAwebdna@idfk.com.au> On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome =wrote:>=20>> The purpose is quite simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to>> something else which includes a GUI. Primary usage is>> Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.>=20> I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and I> have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I switched.>=20> Webmin lets me do practically everything I need to do on a server> via its GUI interface. First I use the VPS host's control panel to> setup the initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything> else.>=20> I do not expect anyone who's been running Apple servers for> so long to want to learn a new system. After all humans are> creatures of habit who are often determined resist change,> sometimes for far longer than they should.>=20> But ...>=20> If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan decides to switch,> using Webmin to manage a Linux server makes a lot of sense.>=20> Regards,> Kenneth Grome> WebDNA Solutions> http://www.webdnasolutions.com> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration>=20>=20>=20> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list talk@webdna.us> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail=_ABF0FDC9-252D-4420-B3DD-552CAD3FD53EContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8I =just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their own =hardware anymore.