Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA and MAMP/Apache (Mac)

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texte = 1648--Apple-Mail=_73E1A696-27FF-484F-AC99-FFF57FF59C02Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8Hi SteveIt all depends on the client=E2=80=99s expectations about speed and =redundancy and all the other great stuff that is on offer.Probably my =E2=80=98go to=E2=80=99 supplier is Linode due to their =costs - however I do find them a little slow.With any cloud service you basically have a myriad of OS options - I =stick with the basics on Ubuntu + Webmin - very simple to configure and =with my ever changing setup work sheet can have an instance up and =running in 20-30 minutes with an expected life of 4 years until security =updates are no longer available for the OS.If I stuff up the install, I just click delete in the cloud admin panel =& start again - or if I am using Amazon, I just select an instance and =duplicate to create a new one. You can even have a master in storage and =just turn on a new one for an hour, week, month year =E2=80=A6..WebDNA will work on any Ubuntu system, I have it running on 12.04 to =16.04 without issue.Linux is not very much different to Mac OS.Put WebMin on the front (it is FREE) and you have a great system that =just works - you can use CL from your desktop or the GUI from any =browser - even your phone. The web min dashboard alerts you to any OS =updates required.Kind regardsStuart TremainPharoah Lane SoftwareAUSTRALIAwebdna@idfk.com.au> On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:46, Steve Craig wrote:>=20> Hi Stuart>=20> So just to pick your brains a bit, which of the cloud services do you =like best for working with WebDNA - any preferences?>=20> Cheers> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> Steve Craig - Forest Products (Leisure) Ltd> Tel +44 1330 860505 Mob +44 7778 007607> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> http://www.forestlogcabins.com > Email: steve@forestlogcabins.com > Skype: s.craig - iChat: steve.craig> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>=20> Standard terms and conditions available here =http://forestlogcabins.com/Terms.html => Any sketches or illustrations supplied are subject to possible small =changes on the final factory plans.>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>> On 11 Mar 2018, at 21:41, Stuart Tremain > wrote:>>=20>> I just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their =own hardware anymore.>>=20>> After having our own hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have =been given a new lease on life by not having to deal with any of that =now by using cloud services.>>=20>> I won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & power in =the office.>>=20>> All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers with =Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have built at =Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be financially =viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to maintain. No =need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a network =engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at 11:30pm on =Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even administer =servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And when the =hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another instance and =I get an email telling me about it when I wake up.>>=20>> Then the other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, =internet connection redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice =control - not my concern anymore !>>=20>> If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the time, you =probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a product that =is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are still looking =for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell phones will =ever take off.>>=20>>=20>> Kind regards>>=20>> Stuart Tremain>> Pharoah Lane Software>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome > wrote:>>>=20>>>> The purpose is quite simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to>>>> something else which includes a GUI. Primary usage is>>>> Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.>>>=20>>> I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and I>>> have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I switched.>>>=20>>> Webmin lets me do practically everything I need to do on a server>>> via its GUI interface. First I use the VPS host's control panel to>>> setup the initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything>>> else.>>>=20>>> I do not expect anyone who's been running Apple servers for>>> so long to want to learn a new system. After all humans are>>> creatures of habit who are often determined resist change,>>> sometimes for far longer than they should.>>>=20>>> But ...>>>=20>>> If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan decides to switch,>>> using Webmin to manage a Linux server makes a lot of sense.>>>=20>>> Regards,>>> Kenneth Grome>>> WebDNA Solutions>>> http://www.webdnasolutions.com >>> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list talk@webdna.us >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us =>>> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 =>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: =talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message =is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail=_73E1A696-27FF-484F-AC99-FFF57FF59C02Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8Hi =Steve

It all depends =on the client=E2=80=99s expectations about speed and redundancy and all =the other great stuff that is on offer.

Probably my =E2=80=98go to=E2=80=99 =supplier is Linode due to their costs - however I do find them a little =slow.

With any =cloud service you basically have a myriad of OS options - I stick with =the basics on Ubuntu + Webmin - very simple to configure and with my =ever changing setup work sheet can have an instance up and running in =20-30 minutes with an expected life of 4 years until security updates =are no longer available for the OS.

If I stuff up the install, I just click =delete in the cloud admin panel & start again - or if I am using =Amazon, I just select an instance and duplicate to create a new one. You =can even have a master in storage and just turn on a new one for an =hour, week, month year =E2=80=A6..

WebDNA will work on any Ubuntu system, =I have it running on 12.04 to 16.04 without issue.

Linux is not very much =different to Mac OS.

Put WebMin on the front (it is FREE) and you have a great =system that just works - you can use CL from your desktop or the GUI =from any browser - even your phone. The web min dashboard alerts you to =any OS updates required.

Kind regards

Stuart Tremain

Pharoah Lane Software

AUSTRALIA

webdna@idfk.com.au

On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:46, Steve Craig <steve@asylumweb.com>= wrote:

Hi Stuart

So just to pick your =brains a bit, which of the cloud services do you like best for working =with WebDNA - any preferences?

Cheers

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Steve Craig - Forest Products (Leisure) Ltd
Tel +44 1330 860505 Mob +44 7778 007607
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://www.forestlogcabins.com
Email: =steve@forestlogcabins.com
Skype: s.craig - =iChat: steve.craig
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Standard terms and =conditions available here http://forestlogcabins.com/Terms.html
Any sketches or illustrations supplied are =subject to possible small changes on the final factory =plans.

On 11 Mar 2018, at 21:41, Stuart Tremain <webdna@idfk.com.au> =wrote:

I just can=E2=80=99t =understand why anyone would want to have their own hardware anymore.

After having our own =hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have been given a new lease =on life by not having to deal with any of that now by using cloud =services.

I =won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & =power in the office.

All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers =with Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have =built at Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be =financially viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to =maintain. No need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a =network engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at =11:30pm on Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even =administer servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And =when the hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another =instance and I get an email telling me about it when I wake =up.

Then the =other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, internet connection =redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice control - not my =concern anymore !

If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the =time, you probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a =product that is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are =still looking for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell =phones will ever take off.

Kind regards

Stuart Tremain
Pharoah Lane =Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au

On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.com> wrote:

The purpose is quite =simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to
something else =which includes a GUI. Primary usage is
Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.

I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and =I
have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I =switched.

Webmin lets me do practically =everything I need to do on a server
via its GUI interface. =First I use the VPS host's control panel to
setup the =initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything
else.

I do not expect anyone =who's been running Apple servers for
so long to want to =learn a new system. After all humans are
creatures =of habit who are often determined resist change,
sometimes =for far longer than they should.

But ...

If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan =decides to switch,
using Webmin to manage a Linux server =makes a lot of sense.

Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database =Systems and Linux Server Administration

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1648--Apple-Mail=_73E1A696-27FF-484F-AC99-FFF57FF59C02Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8Hi SteveIt all depends on the client=E2=80=99s expectations about speed and =redundancy and all the other great stuff that is on offer.Probably my =E2=80=98go to=E2=80=99 supplier is Linode due to their =costs - however I do find them a little slow.With any cloud service you basically have a myriad of OS options - I =stick with the basics on Ubuntu + Webmin - very simple to configure and =with my ever changing setup work sheet can have an instance up and =running in 20-30 minutes with an expected life of 4 years until security =updates are no longer available for the OS.If I stuff up the install, I just click delete in the cloud admin panel =& start again - or if I am using Amazon, I just select an instance and =duplicate to create a new one. You can even have a master in storage and =just turn on a new one for an hour, week, month year =E2=80=A6..WebDNA will work on any Ubuntu system, I have it running on 12.04 to =16.04 without issue.Linux is not very much different to Mac OS.Put WebMin on the front (it is FREE) and you have a great system that =just works - you can use CL from your desktop or the GUI from any =browser - even your phone. The web min dashboard alerts you to any OS =updates required.Kind regardsStuart TremainPharoah Lane SoftwareAUSTRALIAwebdna@idfk.com.au> On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:46, Steve Craig wrote:>=20> Hi Stuart>=20> So just to pick your brains a bit, which of the cloud services do you =like best for working with WebDNA - any preferences?>=20> Cheers> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> Steve Craig - Forest Products (Leisure) Ltd> Tel +44 1330 860505 Mob +44 7778 007607> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> http://www.forestlogcabins.com > Email: steve@forestlogcabins.com > Skype: s.craig - iChat: steve.craig> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>=20> Standard terms and conditions available here =http://forestlogcabins.com/Terms.html => Any sketches or illustrations supplied are subject to possible small =changes on the final factory plans.>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20>> On 11 Mar 2018, at 21:41, Stuart Tremain > wrote:>>=20>> I just can=E2=80=99t understand why anyone would want to have their =own hardware anymore.>>=20>> After having our own hardware both onsite and in a datacenter I have =been given a new lease on life by not having to deal with any of that =now by using cloud services.>>=20>> I won=E2=80=99t even have a dev box in the office anymore, it is far =cheaper and easier to pay a 3rd party $5 a month to have a development =server than it is to have something in a rack taking up space & power in =the office.>>=20>> All we have now is 2 NAS boxes in the office plus 20+ servers with =Amazon, Linode, Digital Ocean & Nexcess. The system we have built at =Amazon we could never replicate with our own hardware and be financially =viable, or for that case have the technical expertise to maintain. No =need to carry spare HDs or other circuitry, no need for a network =engineer, no more call outs to deal with hardware issues at 11:30pm on =Christmas night after a hard day or partying. I can even administer =servers from 30,000+ feet in an aeroplane these days. And when the =hardware fails, it is already running seamlessly on another instance and =I get an email telling me about it when I wake up.>>=20>> Then the other factors that come in - electricity redundancy, =internet connection redundancy, cooling & fire retardant systems, noice =control - not my concern anymore !>>=20>> If you are wondering why Apple Server is changing all the time, you =probably need to ask yourself if Apple really care about a product that =is very quickly becoming obsolete - that is unless you are still looking =for a pay phone because you don=E2=80=99t think that cell phones will =ever take off.>>=20>>=20>> Kind regards>>=20>> Stuart Tremain>> Pharoah Lane Software>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> On 12 Mar 2018, at 00:48, Kenneth Grome > wrote:>>>=20>>>> The purpose is quite simple. Migrating from Apple Server App to>>>> something else which includes a GUI. Primary usage is>>>> Apache/WebDNA/Perl/Imagick.>>>=20>>> I've used the Webmin GUI on Linux for more than a decade, and I>>> have never missed my old Apple/Mac servers since I switched.>>>=20>>> Webmin lets me do practically everything I need to do on a server>>> via its GUI interface. First I use the VPS host's control panel to>>> setup the initial OS, then I install and use Webmin for everything>>> else.>>>=20>>> I do not expect anyone who's been running Apple servers for>>> so long to want to learn a new system. After all humans are>>> creatures of habit who are often determined resist change,>>> sometimes for far longer than they should.>>>=20>>> But ...>>>=20>>> If the time comes that a dedicated Apple fan decides to switch,>>> using Webmin to manage a Linux server makes a lot of sense.>>>=20>>> Regards,>>> Kenneth Grome>>> WebDNA Solutions>>> http://www.webdnasolutions.com >>> Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list talk@webdna.us >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us =>>> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 =>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: =talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message =is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list =talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: =http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us--Apple-Mail=_73E1A696-27FF-484F-AC99-FFF57FF59C02Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8Hi =Steve