Re: Who owns the code?

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2002

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texte = It depends on a few things - Firstly, what country you are in to determineCopy Right issues and secondly, how far your intellectual property laws haveprogressed.It is never so much the code as the IP behind the idea.Who cares that you used your favorite validation function in more than oneproject, its the fact that the client came to you with an idea to curecancer and your using that idea in other places...*Any client that doesn't ask for the entire source is a complete idiot.*Any client that takes developers source code to another development companywithout your permission/knowledge is going to get themselves in serioustrouble.*Any developer that doesn't write reuseable modular code is a completeidiot.*Any developer that steps over the Intellectual property lines byreusing/reselling clients ideas is going to get them selves in serioustrouble.There should always be an understanding between the client and the developerthat should make these definitions black and white.On 7/8/02 4:28 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:> Cute comparison, but not quite the same of course ... :)> > Intelligent webdna programmers always use snippets of their previous> code in new projects. Sometimes they begin with the entire code base> of a previous project, then they modify it to fit a new project. To> do this legally with code you have already sold to someone else> requires a license to re-use that code -- and to retain the ownership> of any modifications or derivatives of that code.> > Of course it can be done the other way as well, simply by retaining> ownership yourself, then giving the customer the license to use it on> one or more web sites. But most customers expect to own the code> since they are the ones paying for it, thus my reason for selling the> ownership and retaining a license to re-use it in future projects.> > It seems like the last thing any webdna consultant would ever want to> do is to sell the rights to the code they write for a customer> without retaining the right to re-use that code. Given the fact that> the same snippets of code can be modified for use in many future> sites, why would you cut your own throat by giving away your right to> re-use any code you have written?> > Anyways, this whole issue is one of those things that is doubtful to> ever bother you unless you create a great site and then go out and> try to sell it to the competitors of your original customer -- which> would obviously be a very unethical thing to do -- but I have heard> of people doing just that.> > If you give encrypted copies of your templates to your clients to be> used on their web servers, then no one will ever actually see the> code you have written, even if they manage to download the templates> via FTP or copy them via some other method, because they are> encrypted.> > Only the 'big' clients ever ask about this issue anyways, or at least> that has been my experience. The rest seem more concerned about> getting their sites up and running ASAP ... :)> > > >> Same sort of thing happened to me last week.>> >> I went into the local BMW Dealer and asked the rep about the price of an M3>> - guy said he could do me a good deal as long as he and any of his mates>> could take it out for a spin whenever he felt like it.>> >> ...>> >> On 7/8/02 3:13 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> >>>> Ken,>>>> Who owns your clone's code?>>> >>> The owner of the code is the person who contracts with me -- with the>>> provision that the owner gives me an unlimited license to re-use all>>> or part of that code in the web sites I develop in the future.>>> >>> >>> Sincerely,>>> Kenneth Grome>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------->>> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center>>> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921>>> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net>>> Philippines http://www.webdna.net>>> --------------------------------------------------->>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>> >>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/>> >> -->> >> Andrew Simpson>> Web Development>> >> Blackpepper Interactive Ltd>> PO Box 99805>> Newmarket>> >> 4 Clayton Street>> Newmarket>> Auckland>> >> Ph: +64 9 520-6281>> Mob: 0272733270>> Fax: +64 9 524-1849>> >> http://www.blackpepper.co.nz>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/> > > > Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> > ---------------------------------------------------> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net> Philippines http://www.webdna.net> ---------------------------------------------------> > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/-- Andrew SimpsonWeb DevelopmentBlackpepper Interactive LtdPO Box 99805Newmarket4 Clayton StreetNewmarketAucklandPh: +64 9 520-6281Mob: 0272733270Fax: +64 9 524-1849http://www.blackpepper.co.nz-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: Who owns the code? (Andrew Simpson 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Clayton Randall 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Tim Robinson 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Dan Strong 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Dan Strong 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Kenneth Grome 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Bob Minor 2002)
Re: Who owns the code? (Andrew Simpson 2002)
Who owns the code? (Kenneth Grome 2002)

It depends on a few things - Firstly, what country you are in to determineCopy Right issues and secondly, how far your intellectual property laws haveprogressed.It is never so much the code as the IP behind the idea.Who cares that you used your favorite validation function in more than oneproject, its the fact that the client came to you with an idea to curecancer and your using that idea in other places...*Any client that doesn't ask for the entire source is a complete idiot.*Any client that takes developers source code to another development companywithout your permission/knowledge is going to get themselves in serioustrouble.*Any developer that doesn't write reuseable modular code is a completeidiot.*Any developer that steps over the Intellectual property lines byreusing/reselling clients ideas is going to get them selves in serioustrouble.There should always be an understanding between the client and the developerthat should make these definitions black and white.On 7/8/02 4:28 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:> Cute comparison, but not quite the same of course ... :)> > Intelligent webdna programmers always use snippets of their previous> code in new projects. Sometimes they begin with the entire code base> of a previous project, then they modify it to fit a new project. To> do this legally with code you have already sold to someone else> requires a license to re-use that code -- and to retain the ownership> of any modifications or derivatives of that code.> > Of course it can be done the other way as well, simply by retaining> ownership yourself, then giving the customer the license to use it on> one or more web sites. But most customers expect to own the code> since they are the ones paying for it, thus my reason for selling the> ownership and retaining a license to re-use it in future projects.> > It seems like the last thing any webdna consultant would ever want to> do is to sell the rights to the code they write for a customer> without retaining the right to re-use that code. Given the fact that> the same snippets of code can be modified for use in many future> sites, why would you cut your own throat by giving away your right to> re-use any code you have written?> > Anyways, this whole issue is one of those things that is doubtful to> ever bother you unless you create a great site and then go out and> try to sell it to the competitors of your original customer -- which> would obviously be a very unethical thing to do -- but I have heard> of people doing just that.> > If you give encrypted copies of your templates to your clients to be> used on their web servers, then no one will ever actually see the> code you have written, even if they manage to download the templates> via FTP or copy them via some other method, because they are> encrypted.> > Only the 'big' clients ever ask about this issue anyways, or at least> that has been my experience. The rest seem more concerned about> getting their sites up and running ASAP ... :)> > > >> Same sort of thing happened to me last week.>> >> I went into the local BMW Dealer and asked the rep about the price of an M3>> - guy said he could do me a good deal as long as he and any of his mates>> could take it out for a spin whenever he felt like it.>> >> ...>> >> On 7/8/02 3:13 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>> >>>> Ken,>>>> Who owns your clone's code?>>> >>> The owner of the code is the person who contracts with me -- with the>>> provision that the owner gives me an unlimited license to re-use all>>> or part of that code in the web sites I develop in the future.>>> >>> >>> Sincerely,>>> Kenneth Grome>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------->>> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center>>> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921>>> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net>>> Philippines http://www.webdna.net>>> --------------------------------------------------->>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------->>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>>> the mailing list .>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>>> >>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/>> >> -->> >> Andrew Simpson>> Web Development>> >> Blackpepper Interactive Ltd>> PO Box 99805>> Newmarket>> >> 4 Clayton Street>> Newmarket>> Auckland>> >> Ph: +64 9 520-6281>> Mob: 0272733270>> Fax: +64 9 524-1849>> >> http://www.blackpepper.co.nz>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------->> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to>> the mailing list .>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to>> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/> > > > Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> > ---------------------------------------------------> WebDNA Professional Training and Development Center> 175 J. Llorente Street +63 (32) 255-6921> Cebu City, Cebu 6000 kengrome@webdna.net> Philippines http://www.webdna.net> ---------------------------------------------------> > -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/-- Andrew SimpsonWeb DevelopmentBlackpepper Interactive LtdPO Box 99805Newmarket4 Clayton StreetNewmarketAucklandPh: +64 9 520-6281Mob: 0272733270Fax: +64 9 524-1849http://www.blackpepper.co.nz-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ Andrew Simpson

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