Re: WebDNA versus ASP [OT]
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2002
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texte = Any competent web firm that would look at the work you've done would be irresponsible to recommend that the underlying language be changed., particularly from WebCat to ASP.ASP is like WebCat without commands or contexts. Want to do a search? First you have to create the search instruction, GCI & work out the syntax. Then you have to install a database and script interaction to it from your web server. ASP is simply a lower level language than WebDNA so it's more do-it-yourself.If you work with ASP long enough, you build a collection of instructions to handle your needs and you get pretty good at database programming. In a nutshell, you will end up with something that, if done well, will look like WebCat, but without the grace and without a fast RAM based database.There's no logical connection between the number of programmers using a language and the efficiency of that language. I'm sure there's even more people that know how to use a shovel but that doesn't translate to better website sales. Recommendations like this come from companies that make their living through change regardless of improvement. If you management team fails to recognize this you have a right to take your talent to a more deserving organization.Tell them that WebCat is built on ASP technology so you're already there.Pat > The time has come for all men to come to the aid of their country (or in > this case of WebDNA)... > > Any how, here is my issue: > > Our management team brought Banta Corp. (www.banta.com) in so that they can > tell us how to grow our business and of course be more profitable on our > website/catalog/etc. > > They recommended that we switch to ASP because the labor pool is bigger than > that of WebDNA. I'm trying to compile a list of why we don't have to switch > to WebDNA. > > So if any one know of something that we can't do with WebDNA but can be done > with ASP or any thing against or for WebDNA/ASP please let me know. > > So the battle goes on... > > Thanks for your prompt reply. > > Pedro Rivera > Webmaster - Designer > www.pssl.com > pedror@pssl.com > 714-891-3990 Ext. 8174 > 11070 Valley View St. > Cypress CA. 90630 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale LaFountain [mailto:dalel@darkhorse.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:21 PM > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > Subject: Re: [OT] > > > Thanks Donovan. > > I'm here, just working too hard to post to the list very often. :) > Michael is around too, but he's mostly a lurker these days. > > Yup, we've been using webcat since version 2. Now that we're finally > 100% OSX and webcat 4, we're starting to use some webcat4-only > tags... Go [sum]! Go [case]! Holy cow, Verisign/java is soooooo much > faster than Cybercash/tcpconnect. 400 orders processed in less than > 2 hours! > > Our two biggest sites are: > http://www.darkhorse.com/ > http://www.tfaw.com/ > > or for an overview of all our sites: > http://www.dhorse.com/ > > The gory details, for anyone who cares: All sites are hosted on 2 x > dual-1Ghz G4's running 10.2.1 and webcat 4.5. Images/media are > served from a redhat linux box at the moment, but that will be > upgraded to a G4 with 10.2.1 in the next couple weeks. Our traffic > is ~10k visits/day between darkhorse and tfaw. We have 3 full time > developers (plus me when I have time), 2 designers, one content > editor, one marketing person, and 3 customer service people running > the show. Needless to say, we keep busy, and it's not because we > always have a pile of comic books to read and action figures to play > with... :) > > On a slightly more on-topic note... > > You OSX'ers will be happy to hear that I just started testing a patch > for webcat that no longer stomps on database files if webcat happens > to crash in the middle of a commit/close/append. Thanks Le! > > I also heard a rumor that we will soon be able to set a webcat pref > for cartfile and db permissions to avoid the problems with mode 644 > files. Cool, no more [shell] workarounds. > > Later, > > -Dale > >> Dale posted about a week ago - he is still lurking .. >> >>> I don't know if they did it alone, but I know that Michael Winston and > Dale >>> LaFountain were working for them - not sure about now though as I have > not >>> seen much of them lately. (where are you guys??) >>> >>> - Charles >>> >>> On 10/2/02 3:32 PM, Donovan
wrote: >>> >>>> So I was looking for a comic in google. Found it and went >>>> to Dark Horse comics to order it. The feel of the site looked familiar >>>> ;-) >>>> and when I went to look at the source I found (). >>>> >>>> If the creator is in the house.. nice site!. :-) >>>> thats all. >>>> Donovan >>>> -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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Any competent web firm that would look at the work you've done would be irresponsible to recommend that the underlying language be changed., particularly from WebCat to ASP.ASP is like WebCat without commands or contexts. Want to do a search? First you have to create the search instruction, GCI & work out the syntax. Then you have to install a database and script interaction to it from your web server. ASP is simply a lower level language than WebDNA so it's more do-it-yourself.If you work with ASP long enough, you build a collection of instructions to handle your needs and you get pretty good at database programming. In a nutshell, you will end up with something that, if done well, will look like WebCat, but without the grace and without a fast RAM based database.There's no logical connection between the number of programmers using a language and the efficiency of that language. I'm sure there's even more people that know how to use a shovel but that doesn't translate to better website sales. Recommendations like this come from companies that make their living through change regardless of improvement. If you management team fails to recognize this you have a right to take your talent to a more deserving organization.Tell them that WebCat is built on ASP technology so you're already there.Pat > The time has come for all men to come to the aid of their country (or in > this case of WebDNA)... > > Any how, here is my issue: > > Our management team brought Banta Corp. (www.banta.com) in so that they can > tell us how to grow our business and of course be more profitable on our > website/catalog/etc. > > They recommended that we switch to ASP because the labor pool is bigger than > that of WebDNA. I'm trying to compile a list of why we don't have to switch > to WebDNA. > > So if any one know of something that we can't do with WebDNA but can be done > with ASP or any thing against or for WebDNA/ASP please let me know. > > So the battle goes on... > > Thanks for your prompt reply. > > Pedro Rivera > Webmaster - Designer > www.pssl.com > pedror@pssl.com > 714-891-3990 Ext. 8174 > 11070 Valley View St. > Cypress CA. 90630 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale LaFountain [mailto:dalel@darkhorse.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:21 PM > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > Subject: Re: [OT] > > > Thanks Donovan. > > I'm here, just working too hard to post to the list very often. :) > Michael is around too, but he's mostly a lurker these days. > > Yup, we've been using webcat since version 2. Now that we're finally > 100% OSX and webcat 4, we're starting to use some webcat4-only > tags... Go [sum]! Go [case]! Holy cow, Verisign/java is soooooo much > faster than Cybercash/tcpconnect. 400 orders processed in less than > 2 hours! > > Our two biggest sites are: > http://www.darkhorse.com/ > http://www.tfaw.com/ > > or for an overview of all our sites: > http://www.dhorse.com/ > > The gory details, for anyone who cares: All sites are hosted on 2 x > dual-1Ghz G4's running 10.2.1 and webcat 4.5. Images/media are > served from a redhat linux box at the moment, but that will be > upgraded to a G4 with 10.2.1 in the next couple weeks. Our traffic > is ~10k visits/day between darkhorse and tfaw. We have 3 full time > developers (plus me when I have time), 2 designers, one content > editor, one marketing person, and 3 customer service people running > the show. Needless to say, we keep busy, and it's not because we > always have a pile of comic books to read and action figures to play > with... :) > > On a slightly more on-topic note... > > You OSX'ers will be happy to hear that I just started testing a patch > for webcat that no longer stomps on database files if webcat happens > to crash in the middle of a commit/close/append. Thanks Le! > > I also heard a rumor that we will soon be able to set a webcat pref > for cartfile and db permissions to avoid the problems with mode 644 > files. Cool, no more [shell] workarounds. > > Later, > > -Dale > >> Dale posted about a week ago - he is still lurking .. >> >>> I don't know if they did it alone, but I know that Michael Winston and > Dale >>> LaFountain were working for them - not sure about now though as I have > not >>> seen much of them lately. (where are you guys??) >>> >>> - Charles >>> >>> On 10/2/02 3:32 PM, Donovan wrote: >>> >>>> So I was looking for a comic in google. Found it and went >>>> to Dark Horse comics to order it. The feel of the site looked familiar >>>> ;-) >>>> and when I went to look at the source I found (). >>>> >>>> If the creator is in the house.. nice site!. :-) >>>> thats all. >>>> Donovan >>>> -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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