Re: On a related topic
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texte = Greg Scott - Webuilders. http://www.webuilders.com -Dan On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:33:09 +0000 GMT "Jay Rector"
wrote: > Dan - Curious who your webdna host is? > > > Sent via Cingular Xpress Mail with Blackberry > > -----Original Message----- >From: "Dan Strong" > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:00:04 > To:"WebDNA Talk" > Subject: Re: On a related topic > > This is very encouraging to hear coming from, arguably, one of the most respected developers >still > active on the list. > > Personally, as I've said many times before before, I am not a "true" programmer -- I know it's a > shock ;) -- I started my career 14 years ago as a Graphic Artist and found my way to website > programming via WebDNA. For me, it was the perfect solution. I looked at php, asp & CF, etc. > syntax, and frankly it made my brain hurt, but WebDNA, I "got". So I plowed forward, sold some > sites to some clients, lost some clients, gained others and in the end, after almost 6 years of > WebDNA I have a small handful of small clients which is growing weekly. I guess it depends on >your > market as to what solution works best for you. For some of you "real" programmers, hybrid > php/CF/asp/WebDNA/etc. etc. environments work best because you are able to support it and your > clients' highly technical and ever-changing demands require it. For me, they want a form or two, >a > database here and there, a CMS, and maybe a store with 100 or so products. In this scenario, > WebDNA works for me and for them. They don't care how I solve their problem, they just want me >to > solve it. > > I have a stellar, long-standing hosting relationship with my webhost who offers, among other > things WebDNA hosting. So to that end I have not invested much at all into the software, I just > "rent" it from my guy at a great monthly price and I charge my clients a slight bit higher. It > works for me. I can't see changing this setup, even if WebDNA dies -- I'll just keep developing >on > the last version my host has (currently 6) before any death. maybe if that happens and my host > stops supporting it, he'll sell me a licence real cheap :) > > I am currently going back to school to get a Bus. Mgmt degree and a Paralegal Certificate. Why? >As > a backup plan, I guess. Maybe I'll go into the Law field, maybe I'll just keep running my small > business. I don't really know. I've looked into learning C#, but that whole "true programmer" > thing keeps coming up... it hurts my brain to read that stuff... so what's my point of all this? >I > don't really know, except to say that FWIW I'll still support WebDNA in the long run and as you > "real" programmers bail out, I'd be glad to take your "old" clients off your hands :) > > As for a partnership and marketing, I've beat that dead horse for years now... I still think >it's > a good idea and I would love to see it happen. > > Sorry for the ramble, but I just wanted to share my experience (again). > -Dan > > > > On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:10:06 -0500 > John Peacock wrote: >> I'm installing a new copy of WebDNA 6.x under SuSE Linux Enterprise Server to manage our >>corporate websites (16 or so sites). We have two in-house developers (not including me). We've >>been limping along with 4.5 for Windows for more years than I care to remember, on a 433MHz >>desktop machine (running NT), and we gross over $750,000/year in direct sales on sites that are >>primarily a marketing tool, not a profit center. >> >> I don't know what is going on with SmithMicro and I don't know why 6.1 has been delayed for so >>long. At this point, however, I also don't care. We have made a significant investment in >>WebCatalog, both in the Enterprise license and more importantly in the development of our sites, >>and it has paid for itself *many* times over. We aren't moving away from WebCat any time soon. >> >> I am also somewhere between Hacker and Guru in the "Seven Stages of a Perl Programmer": >> >> http://jwenet.net/notebook/2005/1075.html >> >> and I know that a general purpose language like Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, etc, will never >>approach the ease of use a specialized eCommerce package like WebDNA_for_ecommerce_sites_. I've >>written (and recently rewritten using Mason[1]) a specialized site under Perl (a reports website >>for our publishers using browser client certs for authentication and authorization). I'm >>interested in Ruby-on-Rails[2], Catalyst[3], and other MVC[4] frameworks. I'm always open to >>using the best tools available. For our primary sites, that is still WebCatalog. >> >> John >> >> 1) http://www.masonhq.com/ >> 2) http://www.rubyonrails.org/ >> 3) http://www.catalystframework.org/ >> 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_view_controller >> >> -- >> John Peacock >> Director of Information Research and Technology >> Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group >> 4501 Forbes Boulevard >> Suite H >> Lanham, MD 20706 >> 301-459-3366 x.5010 >> fax 301-429-5748 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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Greg Scott - Webuilders. http://www.webuilders.com -Dan On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:33:09 +0000 GMT "Jay Rector" wrote: > Dan - Curious who your webdna host is? > > > Sent via Cingular Xpress Mail with Blackberry > > -----Original Message----- >From: "Dan Strong" > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:00:04 > To:"WebDNA Talk" > Subject: Re: On a related topic > > This is very encouraging to hear coming from, arguably, one of the most respected developers >still > active on the list. > > Personally, as I've said many times before before, I am not a "true" programmer -- I know it's a > shock ;) -- I started my career 14 years ago as a Graphic Artist and found my way to website > programming via WebDNA. For me, it was the perfect solution. I looked at php, asp & CF, etc. > syntax, and frankly it made my brain hurt, but WebDNA, I "got". So I plowed forward, sold some > sites to some clients, lost some clients, gained others and in the end, after almost 6 years of > WebDNA I have a small handful of small clients which is growing weekly. I guess it depends on >your > market as to what solution works best for you. For some of you "real" programmers, hybrid > php/CF/asp/WebDNA/etc. etc. environments work best because you are able to support it and your > clients' highly technical and ever-changing demands require it. For me, they want a form or two, >a > database here and there, a CMS, and maybe a store with 100 or so products. In this scenario, > WebDNA works for me and for them. They don't care how I solve their problem, they just want me >to > solve it. > > I have a stellar, long-standing hosting relationship with my webhost who offers, among other > things WebDNA hosting. So to that end I have not invested much at all into the software, I just > "rent" it from my guy at a great monthly price and I charge my clients a slight bit higher. It > works for me. I can't see changing this setup, even if WebDNA dies -- I'll just keep developing >on > the last version my host has (currently 6) before any death. maybe if that happens and my host > stops supporting it, he'll sell me a licence real cheap :) > > I am currently going back to school to get a Bus. Mgmt degree and a Paralegal Certificate. Why? >As > a backup plan, I guess. Maybe I'll go into the Law field, maybe I'll just keep running my small > business. I don't really know. I've looked into learning C#, but that whole "true programmer" > thing keeps coming up... it hurts my brain to read that stuff... so what's my point of all this? >I > don't really know, except to say that FWIW I'll still support WebDNA in the long run and as you > "real" programmers bail out, I'd be glad to take your "old" clients off your hands :) > > As for a partnership and marketing, I've beat that dead horse for years now... I still think >it's > a good idea and I would love to see it happen. > > Sorry for the ramble, but I just wanted to share my experience (again). > -Dan > > > > On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:10:06 -0500 > John Peacock wrote: >> I'm installing a new copy of WebDNA 6.x under SuSE Linux Enterprise Server to manage our >>corporate websites (16 or so sites). We have two in-house developers (not including me). We've >>been limping along with 4.5 for Windows for more years than I care to remember, on a 433MHz >>desktop machine (running NT), and we gross over $750,000/year in direct sales on sites that are >>primarily a marketing tool, not a profit center. >> >> I don't know what is going on with SmithMicro and I don't know why 6.1 has been delayed for so >>long. At this point, however, I also don't care. We have made a significant investment in >>WebCatalog, both in the Enterprise license and more importantly in the development of our sites, >>and it has paid for itself *many* times over. We aren't moving away from WebCat any time soon. >> >> I am also somewhere between Hacker and Guru in the "Seven Stages of a Perl Programmer": >> >> http://jwenet.net/notebook/2005/1075.html >> >> and I know that a general purpose language like Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, etc, will never >>approach the ease of use a specialized eCommerce package like WebDNA_for_ecommerce_sites_. I've >>written (and recently rewritten using Mason[1]) a specialized site under Perl (a reports website >>for our publishers using browser client certs for authentication and authorization). I'm >>interested in Ruby-on-Rails[2], Catalyst[3], and other MVC[4] frameworks. I'm always open to >>using the best tools available. For our primary sites, that is still WebCatalog. >> >> John >> >> 1) http://www.masonhq.com/ >> 2) http://www.rubyonrails.org/ >> 3) http://www.catalystframework.org/ >> 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_view_controller >> >> -- >> John Peacock >> Director of Information Research and Technology >> Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group >> 4501 Forbes Boulevard >> Suite H >> Lanham, MD 20706 >> 301-459-3366 x.5010 >> fax 301-429-5748 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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