Re: On a related topic
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2006
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texte = With so many years in Silicon Valley I've never seen such a "lively", = "fun" and "caring" mailing list with so many loyal list members. This is = almost like watching a "reality TV show" except this is happening on = email. I suggest we build a WebDNA job posting similar to craigslist and WebDNA = forum outside SmithMicro server. Then everyone has the chance to list = WebDNA job and bid for jobs. Forum will be a knowledgebase to help new = programmers to learn WebDNA and act as support. It can also serve as a = license buy/sell site too. You never know when SmithMicro will cut off = this mailing list. >From what I read the most valuable part of WebDNA is the ecommerce part = like shopping cart. Sure it is a cheaper choice than investing in = Coldfusion as long as there are programmers supporting WebDNA. It seems like the valuable asset on WebDNA are a loyal group of = "die-hard" developers on the list. Let me say there are not many mailing site on other programming = languages like this one with so many developers sharing codes, ideas, = offering business help and helping each other out. This is amazing... -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of Dan Strong Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:00 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: On a related topic This is very encouraging to hear coming from, arguably, one of the most = respected developers still=20 active on the list. Personally, as I've said many times before before, I am not a "true" = programmer -- I know it's a=20 shock ;) -- I started my career 14 years ago as a Graphic Artist and = found my way to website=20 programming via WebDNA. For me, it was the perfect solution. I looked at = php, asp & CF, etc.=20 syntax, and frankly it made my brain hurt, but WebDNA, I "got". So I = plowed forward, sold some=20 sites to some clients, lost some clients, gained others and in the end, = after almost 6 years of=20 WebDNA I have a small handful of small clients which is growing weekly. = I guess it depends on your=20 market as to what solution works best for you. For some of you "real" = programmers, hybrid=20 php/CF/asp/WebDNA/etc. etc. environments work best because you are able = to support it and your=20 clients' highly technical and ever-changing demands require it. For me, = they want a form or two, a=20 database here and there, a CMS, and maybe a store with 100 or so = products. In this scenario,=20 WebDNA works for me and for them. They don't care how I solve their = problem, they just want me to=20 solve it. I have a stellar, long-standing hosting relationship with my webhost who = offers, among other=20 things WebDNA hosting. So to that end I have not invested much at all = into the software, I just=20 "rent" it from my guy at a great monthly price and I charge my clients a = slight bit higher. It=20 works for me. I can't see changing this setup, even if WebDNA dies -- = I'll just keep developing on=20 the last version my host has (currently 6) before any death. maybe if = that happens and my host=20 stops supporting it, he'll sell me a licence real cheap :) I am currently going back to school to get a Bus. Mgmt degree and a = Paralegal Certificate. Why? As=20 a backup plan, I guess. Maybe I'll go into the Law field, maybe I'll = just keep running my small=20 business. I don't really know. I've looked into learning C#, but that = whole "true programmer"=20 thing keeps coming up... it hurts my brain to read that stuff... so = what's my point of all this? I=20 don't really know, except to say that FWIW I'll still support WebDNA in = the long run and as you=20 "real" programmers bail out, I'd be glad to take your "old" clients off = your hands :) As for a partnership and marketing, I've beat that dead horse for years = now... I still think it's=20 a good idea and I would love to see it happen. Sorry for the ramble, but I just wanted to share my experience (again). -Dan On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:10:06 -0500 John Peacock
wrote: > I'm installing a new copy of WebDNA 6.x under SuSE Linux Enterprise = Server to manage our=20 >corporate websites (16 or so sites). We have two in-house developers = (not including me). We've=20 >been limping along with 4.5 for Windows for more years than I care to = remember, on a 433MHz=20 >desktop machine (running NT), and we gross over $750,000/year in direct = sales on sites that are=20 >primarily a marketing tool, not a profit center. >=20 > I don't know what is going on with SmithMicro and I don't know why 6.1 = has been delayed for so=20 >long. At this point, however, I also don't care. We have made a = significant investment in=20 >WebCatalog, both in the Enterprise license and more importantly in the = development of our sites,=20 >and it has paid for itself *many* times over. We aren't moving away = from WebCat any time soon. >=20 > I am also somewhere between Hacker and Guru in the "Seven Stages of a = Perl Programmer": >=20 > http://jwenet.net/notebook/2005/1075.html >=20 > and I know that a general purpose language like Perl, PHP, Python, = Ruby, etc, will never=20 >approach the ease of use a specialized eCommerce package like WebDNA = _for_ecommerce_sites_. I've=20 >written (and recently rewritten using Mason[1]) a specialized site = under Perl (a reports website=20 >for our publishers using browser client certs for authentication and = authorization). I'm=20 >interested in Ruby-on-Rails[2], Catalyst[3], and other MVC[4] = frameworks. I'm always open to=20 >using the best tools available. For our primary sites, that is still = WebCatalog. >=20 > John >=20 > 1) http://www.masonhq.com/ > 2) http://www.rubyonrails.org/ > 3) http://www.catalystframework.org/ > 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_view_controller >=20 > --=20 > John Peacock > Director of Information Research and Technology > Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group > 4501 Forbes Boulevard > Suite H > Lanham, MD 20706 > 301-459-3366 x.5010 > fax 301-429-5748 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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With so many years in Silicon Valley I've never seen such a "lively", = "fun" and "caring" mailing list with so many loyal list members. This is = almost like watching a "reality TV show" except this is happening on = email. I suggest we build a WebDNA job posting similar to craigslist and WebDNA = forum outside SmithMicro server. Then everyone has the chance to list = WebDNA job and bid for jobs. Forum will be a knowledgebase to help new = programmers to learn WebDNA and act as support. It can also serve as a = license buy/sell site too. You never know when SmithMicro will cut off = this mailing list. >From what I read the most valuable part of WebDNA is the ecommerce part = like shopping cart. Sure it is a cheaper choice than investing in = Coldfusion as long as there are programmers supporting WebDNA. It seems like the valuable asset on WebDNA are a loyal group of = "die-hard" developers on the list. Let me say there are not many mailing site on other programming = languages like this one with so many developers sharing codes, ideas, = offering business help and helping each other out. This is amazing... -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of Dan Strong Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:00 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: On a related topic This is very encouraging to hear coming from, arguably, one of the most = respected developers still=20 active on the list. Personally, as I've said many times before before, I am not a "true" = programmer -- I know it's a=20 shock ;) -- I started my career 14 years ago as a Graphic Artist and = found my way to website=20 programming via WebDNA. For me, it was the perfect solution. I looked at = php, asp & CF, etc.=20 syntax, and frankly it made my brain hurt, but WebDNA, I "got". So I = plowed forward, sold some=20 sites to some clients, lost some clients, gained others and in the end, = after almost 6 years of=20 WebDNA I have a small handful of small clients which is growing weekly. = I guess it depends on your=20 market as to what solution works best for you. For some of you "real" = programmers, hybrid=20 php/CF/asp/WebDNA/etc. etc. environments work best because you are able = to support it and your=20 clients' highly technical and ever-changing demands require it. For me, = they want a form or two, a=20 database here and there, a CMS, and maybe a store with 100 or so = products. In this scenario,=20 WebDNA works for me and for them. They don't care how I solve their = problem, they just want me to=20 solve it. I have a stellar, long-standing hosting relationship with my webhost who = offers, among other=20 things WebDNA hosting. So to that end I have not invested much at all = into the software, I just=20 "rent" it from my guy at a great monthly price and I charge my clients a = slight bit higher. It=20 works for me. I can't see changing this setup, even if WebDNA dies -- = I'll just keep developing on=20 the last version my host has (currently 6) before any death. maybe if = that happens and my host=20 stops supporting it, he'll sell me a licence real cheap :) I am currently going back to school to get a Bus. Mgmt degree and a = Paralegal Certificate. Why? As=20 a backup plan, I guess. Maybe I'll go into the Law field, maybe I'll = just keep running my small=20 business. I don't really know. I've looked into learning C#, but that = whole "true programmer"=20 thing keeps coming up... it hurts my brain to read that stuff... so = what's my point of all this? I=20 don't really know, except to say that FWIW I'll still support WebDNA in = the long run and as you=20 "real" programmers bail out, I'd be glad to take your "old" clients off = your hands :) As for a partnership and marketing, I've beat that dead horse for years = now... I still think it's=20 a good idea and I would love to see it happen. Sorry for the ramble, but I just wanted to share my experience (again). -Dan On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:10:06 -0500 John Peacock wrote: > I'm installing a new copy of WebDNA 6.x under SuSE Linux Enterprise = Server to manage our=20 >corporate websites (16 or so sites). We have two in-house developers = (not including me). We've=20 >been limping along with 4.5 for Windows for more years than I care to = remember, on a 433MHz=20 >desktop machine (running NT), and we gross over $750,000/year in direct = sales on sites that are=20 >primarily a marketing tool, not a profit center. >=20 > I don't know what is going on with SmithMicro and I don't know why 6.1 = has been delayed for so=20 >long. At this point, however, I also don't care. We have made a = significant investment in=20 >WebCatalog, both in the Enterprise license and more importantly in the = development of our sites,=20 >and it has paid for itself *many* times over. We aren't moving away = from WebCat any time soon. >=20 > I am also somewhere between Hacker and Guru in the "Seven Stages of a = Perl Programmer": >=20 > http://jwenet.net/notebook/2005/1075.html >=20 > and I know that a general purpose language like Perl, PHP, Python, = Ruby, etc, will never=20 >approach the ease of use a specialized eCommerce package like WebDNA = _for_ecommerce_sites_. I've=20 >written (and recently rewritten using Mason[1]) a specialized site = under Perl (a reports website=20 >for our publishers using browser client certs for authentication and = authorization). I'm=20 >interested in Ruby-on-Rails[2], Catalyst[3], and other MVC[4] = frameworks. I'm always open to=20 >using the best tools available. For our primary sites, that is still = WebCatalog. >=20 > John >=20 > 1) http://www.masonhq.com/ > 2) http://www.rubyonrails.org/ > 3) http://www.catalystframework.org/ > 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_view_controller >=20 > --=20 > John Peacock > Director of Information Research and Technology > Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group > 4501 Forbes Boulevard > Suite H > Lanham, MD 20706 > 301-459-3366 x.5010 > fax 301-429-5748 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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