Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering

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texte = nitai@computeroil.com wrote: > Let's put it in simple word: > > Once you start using SQL syntax and use some of the languages > very own features like JOIN or UNION you simply won't go back > to use flat files. > > Instead of using a search within a search and then a lookup > within that founditems (all true real world examples) and you > see how easy this is done with ONE SQL statement it should > start making sense to everyone :-) > > It just open up a new world of possibilities. Imagine you > have one single location for all your data and that location > does not even has to be in house. That other systems can connect > to it as well is a life saver sometimes. > > Now when you start with stored procedures you have another > story where your database does all the work for you and not > the webserver anymore... > > I don't think this is a conversation of the scripting language > but more why to use SQL. > > Nitai This was a conversation about SMSI support that turned into (false) statements about webdna that turned into SQL promotion (amongst other things). :-) I was correcting wreckless false statements such as webdna db's not being relationable, and more generally, the message that webdna is not a valid solution. Frankly, I'm a bit suprised that no other long-timers joined in. I don't know when the conversation turned into promoting SQL, but you can count me in. I am not against using the right tool for the job. But I think using SQL because its accepted or using SQL for your resume is just that.. using it for the resume. Though I have used the SQL tags in the very occassional soution, relational flat files still are the best working solution for 97% of my clients (I do mostly eCommerce stuff). There is absolutely no downside to using them. The times I do consider other options is when the customer wants to connect to a core inventory database or something.. or even when they are thinking about connections in the future... Flat files can migrate to most any platform.. so even if webdna dissappears, the data is just fine (well, webdna encrypted fields would have to be parsed). I said that I think it's wreckless.. because end users (our clients) may watch this list. They are getting false ideas about webdna's capabilities. Donovan -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),-> <- Custom Paint, Labels, and Specialty Signage. -> <- Home and Business Embellishment/Fabrication, -> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass -> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 835-2476 Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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  2. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( "Bess Ho" 2006)
  3. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Donovan Brooke 2006)
  4. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( "Bess Ho" 2006)
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  6. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Alex McCombie 2006)
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  10. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( nitai@computeroil.com 2006)
  11. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Donovan Brooke 2006)
  12. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Alex McCombie 2006)
  13. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( nitai@computeroil.com 2006)
  14. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Donovan Brooke 2006)
  15. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Alex McCombie 2006)
  16. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Bob Minor 2006)
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  18. Re: Here we go again...WebDNA - SQL- Clustering ( Adam O'Connor 2006)
nitai@computeroil.com wrote: > Let's put it in simple word: > > Once you start using SQL syntax and use some of the languages > very own features like JOIN or UNION you simply won't go back > to use flat files. > > Instead of using a search within a search and then a lookup > within that founditems (all true real world examples) and you > see how easy this is done with ONE SQL statement it should > start making sense to everyone :-) > > It just open up a new world of possibilities. Imagine you > have one single location for all your data and that location > does not even has to be in house. That other systems can connect > to it as well is a life saver sometimes. > > Now when you start with stored procedures you have another > story where your database does all the work for you and not > the webserver anymore... > > I don't think this is a conversation of the scripting language > but more why to use SQL. > > Nitai This was a conversation about SMSI support that turned into (false) statements about webdna that turned into SQL promotion (amongst other things). :-) I was correcting wreckless false statements such as webdna db's not being relationable, and more generally, the message that webdna is not a valid solution. Frankly, I'm a bit suprised that no other long-timers joined in. I don't know when the conversation turned into promoting SQL, but you can count me in. I am not against using the right tool for the job. But I think using SQL because its accepted or using SQL for your resume is just that.. using it for the resume. Though I have used the SQL tags in the very occassional soution, relational flat files still are the best working solution for 97% of my clients (I do mostly eCommerce stuff). There is absolutely no downside to using them. The times I do consider other options is when the customer wants to connect to a core inventory database or something.. or even when they are thinking about connections in the future... Flat files can migrate to most any platform.. so even if webdna dissappears, the data is just fine (well, webdna encrypted fields would have to be parsed). I said that I think it's wreckless.. because end users (our clients) may watch this list. They are getting false ideas about webdna's capabilities. Donovan -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),-> <- Custom Paint, Labels, and Specialty Signage. -> <- Home and Business Embellishment/Fabrication, -> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass -> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 835-2476 Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Donovan Brooke

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