Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)
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texte = May be you can go into detail about advantages of frameworks. Why = frameworks can offer something that RIA can't. -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of nitai@computeroil.com Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:05 PM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) But Rubyonrails or Fusebox or alike are frameworks that make you work in = a certain way and are suppossed to make your code more streamlined. OpenLazlo/Flex/Ajax are tools to create Rich Internet Applications that = behave the same like a Desktop application. Mostly they are tight to XML = syntax and can interact with a middleware which connects to a database. I have had (and still are) expiriencing with Flex, but like I said it is = for creating RIA. Nitai -- eContentPark - Enterprise Asset Management System eServices - The complete SupportSuite eSurvey - Online Questionnaire made easy Redakto CMS - Content Management that simply works ComputerOil=AE AG Neugutstrasse 66 8600 D=FCbendorf / Switzerland Telefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66 info@computeroil.com http://computeroil.com From: Bess Ho [mailto:BessH@USMS.com] To: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:51:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) You are right. Rudyonrails looks pretty good. I am exploring = OpenLaszlo.org that allows plug-n-play AJAX or Flash. It may be even = faster to deliver the functionality. -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of devaulw@onebox.com Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:30 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) Using, no. Experimenting, yes. I think John also said he was looking = into it.=20 I never cared for PHP since that was just another scripting language. = PHP and WebDNA are the same from that perspective. Ruby on Rails is = different though.=20 One issue with Ruby on Rails is that one needs to know/learn Ruby (a = language) and then learn Rails (a framework). Ruby is an object oriented = language -- this is conceptually different from scripting languages in = many respects.=20 Rails is a framework. It basically sets up convenient places to put = parts of your web application and gives a number of tools that tie the = application to a database and provide some very useful built-in methods = that make creating applications simple and adding features very, very = easy. It strives to prevent code duplication (write once, use everywhere = in your app -- they call it DRY for don't repeat yourself).=20 The real kicker is that Rails makes it unbelievably easy to add lots of = nice AJAX type functionality.=20 Given that Rails is a framework, others are using it as a model to = create frameworks in PHP, Python and other languages. I haven't seen any = effort in WebDNA on this front to build a framework other than = storebuilder and that is more of a generator than a framework that would = work for any application.=20 I was drawn to Rails when I saw some of the screencasts that showed how = easy it was to create a blog for example. That was something that people = on the WebDNA list had talked about putting together as an OS project. = With Rails, a basic blog can be done in about fifteen minutes (assuming = you've invested in the learning curve). Bill -----Original Message----- From: Clint Davis
Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:11:24 -0500 To: "WebDNA Talk" Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) As a sidenote... Is anyone on the list using Ruby on Rails? I don't have any experience = with it, but it's potential is very attractive. On 4/6/06 9:04 AM, "devaulw@onebox.com" wrote: > Back on the data structure, I just read last night about the = "acts_as_tree" > model method in Rails. That seems like it would work really well to = handle the > self-referential tree structure originally set out. Of course, you'd = have to > be using Rails first.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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May be you can go into detail about advantages of frameworks. Why = frameworks can offer something that RIA can't. -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of nitai@computeroil.com Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:05 PM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) But Rubyonrails or Fusebox or alike are frameworks that make you work in = a certain way and are suppossed to make your code more streamlined. OpenLazlo/Flex/Ajax are tools to create Rich Internet Applications that = behave the same like a Desktop application. Mostly they are tight to XML = syntax and can interact with a middleware which connects to a database. I have had (and still are) expiriencing with Flex, but like I said it is = for creating RIA. Nitai -- eContentPark - Enterprise Asset Management System eServices - The complete SupportSuite eSurvey - Online Questionnaire made easy Redakto CMS - Content Management that simply works ComputerOil=AE AG Neugutstrasse 66 8600 D=FCbendorf / Switzerland Telefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66 info@computeroil.com http://computeroil.com From: Bess Ho [mailto:BessH@USMS.com] To: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:51:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) You are right. Rudyonrails looks pretty good. I am exploring = OpenLaszlo.org that allows plug-n-play AJAX or Flash. It may be even = faster to deliver the functionality. -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of devaulw@onebox.com Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:30 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) Using, no. Experimenting, yes. I think John also said he was looking = into it.=20 I never cared for PHP since that was just another scripting language. = PHP and WebDNA are the same from that perspective. Ruby on Rails is = different though.=20 One issue with Ruby on Rails is that one needs to know/learn Ruby (a = language) and then learn Rails (a framework). Ruby is an object oriented = language -- this is conceptually different from scripting languages in = many respects.=20 Rails is a framework. It basically sets up convenient places to put = parts of your web application and gives a number of tools that tie the = application to a database and provide some very useful built-in methods = that make creating applications simple and adding features very, very = easy. It strives to prevent code duplication (write once, use everywhere = in your app -- they call it DRY for don't repeat yourself).=20 The real kicker is that Rails makes it unbelievably easy to add lots of = nice AJAX type functionality.=20 Given that Rails is a framework, others are using it as a model to = create frameworks in PHP, Python and other languages. I haven't seen any = effort in WebDNA on this front to build a framework other than = storebuilder and that is more of a generator than a framework that would = work for any application.=20 I was drawn to Rails when I saw some of the screencasts that showed how = easy it was to create a blog for example. That was something that people = on the WebDNA list had talked about putting together as an OS project. = With Rails, a basic blog can be done in about fifteen minutes (assuming = you've invested in the learning curve). Bill -----Original Message----- From: Clint Davis Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:11:24 -0500 To: "WebDNA Talk" Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search) As a sidenote... Is anyone on the list using Ruby on Rails? I don't have any experience = with it, but it's potential is very attractive. On 4/6/06 9:04 AM, "devaulw@onebox.com" wrote: > Back on the data structure, I just read last night about the = "acts_as_tree" > model method in Rails. That seems like it would work really well to = handle the > self-referential tree structure originally set out. Of course, you'd = have to > be using Rails first.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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