Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)
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texte = May be you can go into detail about advantages of frameworks. Why =frameworks can offer something that RIA can't.-----Original Message-----From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Ofnitai@computeroil.comSent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:05 PMTo: WebDNA TalkSubject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)But Rubyonrails or Fusebox or alike are frameworks that make you work in =a certain way and are suppossed to make your code more streamlined.OpenLazlo/Flex/Ajax are tools to create Rich Internet Applications that =behave the same like a Desktop application. Mostly they are tight to XML =syntax and can interact with a middleware which connects to a database.I have had (and still are) expiriencing with Flex, but like I said it is =for creating RIA.Nitai--eContentPark - Enterprise Asset Management SystemeServices - The complete SupportSuiteeSurvey - Online Questionnaire made easyRedakto CMS - Content Management that simply worksComputerOil=AE AGNeugutstrasse 668600 D=FCbendorf / SwitzerlandTelefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66info@computeroil.comhttp://computeroil.comFrom: Bess Ho [mailto:BessH@USMS.com]To: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:51:33 +0200Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)You are right. Rudyonrails looks pretty good. I am exploring =OpenLaszlo.org that allows plug-n-play AJAX or Flash. It may be even =faster to deliver the functionality.-----Original Message-----From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Ofdevaulw@onebox.comSent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:30 AMTo: WebDNA TalkSubject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)Using, no. Experimenting, yes. I think John also said he was looking =into it.=20I never cared for PHP since that was just another scripting language. =PHP and WebDNA are the same from that perspective. Ruby on Rails is =different though.=20One issue with Ruby on Rails is that one needs to know/learn Ruby (a =language) and then learn Rails (a framework). Ruby is an object oriented =language -- this is conceptually different from scripting languages in =many respects.=20Rails is a framework. It basically sets up convenient places to put =parts of your web application and gives a number of tools that tie the =application to a database and provide some very useful built-in methods =that make creating applications simple and adding features very, very =easy. It strives to prevent code duplication (write once, use everywhere =in your app -- they call it DRY for don't repeat yourself).=20The real kicker is that Rails makes it unbelievably easy to add lots of =nice AJAX type functionality.=20Given that Rails is a framework, others are using it as a model to =create frameworks in PHP, Python and other languages. I haven't seen any =effort in WebDNA on this front to build a framework other than =storebuilder and that is more of a generator than a framework that would =work for any application.=20I was drawn to Rails when I saw some of the screencasts that showed how =easy it was to create a blog for example. That was something that people =on the WebDNA list had talked about putting together as an OS project. =With Rails, a basic blog can be done in about fifteen minutes (assuming =you've invested in the learning curve).Bill-----Original Message-----From: Clint Davis
Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:11:24 -0500To: "WebDNA Talk" Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)As a sidenote...Is anyone on the list using Ruby on Rails? I don't have any experience =withit, but it's potential is very attractive.On 4/6/06 9:04 AM, "devaulw@onebox.com" wrote:> Back on the data structure, I just read last night about the ="acts_as_tree"> model method in Rails. That seems like it would work really well to =handle the> self-referential tree structure originally set out. Of course, you'd =have to> be using Rails first.=20-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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May be you can go into detail about advantages of frameworks. Why =frameworks can offer something that RIA can't.-----Original Message-----From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Ofnitai@computeroil.comSent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:05 PMTo: WebDNA TalkSubject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)But Rubyonrails or Fusebox or alike are frameworks that make you work in =a certain way and are suppossed to make your code more streamlined.OpenLazlo/Flex/Ajax are tools to create Rich Internet Applications that =behave the same like a Desktop application. Mostly they are tight to XML =syntax and can interact with a middleware which connects to a database.I have had (and still are) expiriencing with Flex, but like I said it is =for creating RIA.Nitai--eContentPark - Enterprise Asset Management SystemeServices - The complete SupportSuiteeSurvey - Online Questionnaire made easyRedakto CMS - Content Management that simply worksComputerOil=AE AGNeugutstrasse 668600 D=FCbendorf / SwitzerlandTelefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66info@computeroil.comhttp://computeroil.comFrom: Bess Ho [mailto:BessH@USMS.com]To: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:51:33 +0200Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)You are right. Rudyonrails looks pretty good. I am exploring =OpenLaszlo.org that allows plug-n-play AJAX or Flash. It may be even =faster to deliver the functionality.-----Original Message-----From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Ofdevaulw@onebox.comSent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:30 AMTo: WebDNA TalkSubject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)Using, no. Experimenting, yes. I think John also said he was looking =into it.=20I never cared for PHP since that was just another scripting language. =PHP and WebDNA are the same from that perspective. Ruby on Rails is =different though.=20One issue with Ruby on Rails is that one needs to know/learn Ruby (a =language) and then learn Rails (a framework). Ruby is an object oriented =language -- this is conceptually different from scripting languages in =many respects.=20Rails is a framework. It basically sets up convenient places to put =parts of your web application and gives a number of tools that tie the =application to a database and provide some very useful built-in methods =that make creating applications simple and adding features very, very =easy. It strives to prevent code duplication (write once, use everywhere =in your app -- they call it DRY for don't repeat yourself).=20The real kicker is that Rails makes it unbelievably easy to add lots of =nice AJAX type functionality.=20Given that Rails is a framework, others are using it as a model to =create frameworks in PHP, Python and other languages. I haven't seen any =effort in WebDNA on this front to build a framework other than =storebuilder and that is more of a generator than a framework that would =work for any application.=20I was drawn to Rails when I saw some of the screencasts that showed how =easy it was to create a blog for example. That was something that people =on the WebDNA list had talked about putting together as an OS project. =With Rails, a basic blog can be done in about fifteen minutes (assuming =you've invested in the learning curve).Bill-----Original Message-----From: Clint Davis Sent: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:11:24 -0500To: "WebDNA Talk" Subject: Re: Ruby on Rails (was Looping Search)As a sidenote...Is anyone on the list using Ruby on Rails? I don't have any experience =withit, but it's potential is very attractive.On 4/6/06 9:04 AM, "devaulw@onebox.com" wrote:> Back on the data structure, I just read last night about the ="acts_as_tree"> model method in Rails. That seems like it would work really well to =handle the> self-referential tree structure originally set out. Of course, you'd =have to> be using Rails first.=20-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed tothe mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to =Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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