Re: WebDNA's portability
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texte = About a year ago when talking to Doug Deck he told me there were hundreds companies, maybe even 1000 ISPs hosting WebDNA sites. It's a specialty language that costs a lot of money to host, just like the license for ColdFusion. He also mentioned that they have hundreds of copies of the developer version downloaded every month. It used to be said by my old sales rep at SMI (Ed Gellett) that WebCatalog was the direct competition to ColdFusion. I still use that as a sales line today when talking to customers. I find our customers don't really care about the hosting cost, and honestly, my company probably has a higher than average hosting fee. But we give them a total package, more than what most of them need, and we also give them free anti virus and anti spam scanning (from Astaro). I explain that if they every decide they hate us, we'll give them their site and they can contact SmithMicro for another hosting company. They usually laugh then ask for the pen so they can sign the hosting contract. I'd also like to point out that simply because there are only about 50 of us here on this list, that does not mean there are only 50 credible companies on the planet programming in WebDNA. Honestly I only rejoined about a month or so ago, and I had a terrible time getting back on the list since the subscribe/unsubscribe seems to be busted. Back when I started programming WebDNA I joined, learned what I needed, then left. I only returned because of the rumors that SMI was ditching WebDNA. I still believe in a topic that was tossed around on here many years ago: Someone needs to publish a book on WebDNA for the general public, something that would be available on Amazon and in your local Borders or Barnes & Noble. A "Dummies" book would be the perfect place to start, and I only wish I had the time to write it myself. As for customers wanting to spend less money on hosting costs... I have the luxury of great word of mouth advertising within my industry focus. They hear and see results in what we do for their friends and ask us for the same work and same results. When explaining the language we use, I tell them that it is fast, easy to develop and that keeps their development costs down. I also explain that hosting the sites requires an expensive license that we pay for. So our hosting fees are par with those of a hosted ColdFusion site. But again, we have a known track record, so they are willing to pay for it. My advice for others having trouble justifying your hosting costs is to provide a value add on top of your hosting. Two years ago I started giving them anti-spam and anti-vurus for free. I signed up as a reseller for Astaro, got a NFR box and put it service on my own network. This allowed me to test a product out without having to spend top dollar for it. After my first year I converted the NFR license to a real license, and Astaro authorized my setup and usage from the start. So check out the cost of anti-spam filtering and anti-virus filtering that your customers would be paying in your local market, explain that you include it in your hosting. Last I checked that is a savings per month of $45-$100 for your customer. It worked VERY easily for us here once they realized that high yearly hosting expense was actually a huge monthly savings. Once final comment, more to myself that everyone here, it's kind of stupid that I had not thought of it until this moment, but perhaps I should start putting "Powered by WebDNA" on the bottom of all our sites. Everyone seems to show off their love of PHP and MySQL, perhaps I should do the same to support WebDNA. -- Matthew A Perosi Psi Prime, Inc. http://www.psiprime.com 323 Union Blvd. Totowa, NJ 07512 P: 973.225.9870 F: 973.413.8217 Terry Wilson wrote: > When people recently raised their hands as 'present', some stated why > they stick with WebDNA, citing ease of use, etc. I agree. BUT! Soon as > I get the time, I will learn php. The big reason is this email I just > got tonight from a client for whom I am developing a site. Soon it > will be time to go live on the site and shut down her static site > hosted elsewhere: > >>> Hi Terry, >>> What will be the advantage for me to switch to the Seattle site? >>> I'm not >>> challenging, just want to make a sound decision - fatcow costs >>> $99/year. >>> Perhaps we can discuss on Thursday? Thank you for your help! D. >> > > Yep, I understand her confusion. It would be great to be able to not > rock the hosting boat and make her new site in php. Or be able to do a > single section of someone's site without having to take the whole > thing into a new hosting environment. Or to be able to get rid of a > client and have them find another php person. Yeah, WebDNA is great to > work with, but in today's environment it's something of an albatross. > > Terry ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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About a year ago when talking to Doug Deck he told me there were hundreds companies, maybe even 1000 ISPs hosting WebDNA sites. It's a specialty language that costs a lot of money to host, just like the license for ColdFusion. He also mentioned that they have hundreds of copies of the developer version downloaded every month. It used to be said by my old sales rep at SMI (Ed Gellett) that WebCatalog was the direct competition to ColdFusion. I still use that as a sales line today when talking to customers. I find our customers don't really care about the hosting cost, and honestly, my company probably has a higher than average hosting fee. But we give them a total package, more than what most of them need, and we also give them free anti virus and anti spam scanning (from Astaro). I explain that if they every decide they hate us, we'll give them their site and they can contact SmithMicro for another hosting company. They usually laugh then ask for the pen so they can sign the hosting contract. I'd also like to point out that simply because there are only about 50 of us here on this list, that does not mean there are only 50 credible companies on the planet programming in WebDNA. Honestly I only rejoined about a month or so ago, and I had a terrible time getting back on the list since the subscribe/unsubscribe seems to be busted. Back when I started programming WebDNA I joined, learned what I needed, then left. I only returned because of the rumors that SMI was ditching WebDNA. I still believe in a topic that was tossed around on here many years ago: Someone needs to publish a book on WebDNA for the general public, something that would be available on Amazon and in your local Borders or Barnes & Noble. A "Dummies" book would be the perfect place to start, and I only wish I had the time to write it myself. As for customers wanting to spend less money on hosting costs... I have the luxury of great word of mouth advertising within my industry focus. They hear and see results in what we do for their friends and ask us for the same work and same results. When explaining the language we use, I tell them that it is fast, easy to develop and that keeps their development costs down. I also explain that hosting the sites requires an expensive license that we pay for. So our hosting fees are par with those of a hosted ColdFusion site. But again, we have a known track record, so they are willing to pay for it. My advice for others having trouble justifying your hosting costs is to provide a value add on top of your hosting. Two years ago I started giving them anti-spam and anti-vurus for free. I signed up as a reseller for Astaro, got a NFR box and put it service on my own network. This allowed me to test a product out without having to spend top dollar for it. After my first year I converted the NFR license to a real license, and Astaro authorized my setup and usage from the start. So check out the cost of anti-spam filtering and anti-virus filtering that your customers would be paying in your local market, explain that you include it in your hosting. Last I checked that is a savings per month of $45-$100 for your customer. It worked VERY easily for us here once they realized that high yearly hosting expense was actually a huge monthly savings. Once final comment, more to myself that everyone here, it's kind of stupid that I had not thought of it until this moment, but perhaps I should start putting "Powered by WebDNA" on the bottom of all our sites. Everyone seems to show off their love of PHP and MySQL, perhaps I should do the same to support WebDNA. -- Matthew A Perosi Psi Prime, Inc. http://www.psiprime.com 323 Union Blvd. Totowa, NJ 07512 P: 973.225.9870 F: 973.413.8217 Terry Wilson wrote: > When people recently raised their hands as 'present', some stated why > they stick with WebDNA, citing ease of use, etc. I agree. BUT! Soon as > I get the time, I will learn php. The big reason is this email I just > got tonight from a client for whom I am developing a site. Soon it > will be time to go live on the site and shut down her static site > hosted elsewhere: > >>> Hi Terry, >>> What will be the advantage for me to switch to the Seattle site? >>> I'm not >>> challenging, just want to make a sound decision - fatcow costs >>> $99/year. >>> Perhaps we can discuss on Thursday? Thank you for your help! D. >> > > Yep, I understand her confusion. It would be great to be able to not > rock the hosting boat and make her new site in php. Or be able to do a > single section of someone's site without having to take the whole > thing into a new hosting environment. Or to be able to get rid of a > client and have them find another php person. Yeah, WebDNA is great to > work with, but in today's environment it's something of an albatross. > > Terry ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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