Re: OT: SEO

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texte = A fair rant Donovan ....I agree totally with you, I have found that I have learned a fair bit from them and I always insist that I am at any meeting between the SEO & my clients as often the SEO will want to create the SPAM page that you rightly mention.However I have seen the rankings of clients rise steadily due to their work, the clients have increased sales, I've made a few $$ on the side, the purchaser has been able to find what they want at the right price - everyone seems to be happy - shame the site now looks like crap !!On 05/12/2007, at 10:26 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote:> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>> We use http://www.iprospect.com>> Spent about $150k with them last year, clients are very happy with >> their outcome.>>> Most of which would have been better spent on a programmer.. IMO.>> [rant]> SEO's are, more often than not, a pain (IMNSHO). Sometimes I think> these guys are getting paid more for their "Magic" than any other> accountable service.>> O.K., I will admit that those who are actually reputable (I don't> know that there are that many), will have an edge over your> do it all programmers. However, all to often, I see these companies> getting paid way too much for a service that is not that magical and,> seemingly to me, barely justifiable.>> Am I alone on this?>> Here is a typical scenario for me... A client has me do some> database driven stuff for their website. He also has an SEO> do "stuff" for the website. SEO guy will then hire me to add> meta fields to the products and categories database (or what have> you), and then edit the respective public pages to reflect the> content. The SEO guy will also create a bunch of static pages that > each> contain non-included header info. The client will then change his> mind on the header images etc. I then am hired to change all> the SEO pages to match the new header look and feel. In the> end, my client ends up with a home page that looks like a spam> email... containing suspect links and non-related links etc..>> The end result is, yes, my client is happy even though he/she> has paid for redundant services (btw, the SEO companies always> get paid double what I do). The client is also happy (most of> the time) because the SEO guy was able to get the site ranked.> The SEO guy is happy of course (he's getting paid twice what I do> for half the skill needed ;-) ),> and I am left with this bitter sweet feeling of; Well,> I got more work out it, and; my client has to pay for> unnecessary things.>> The thing is, I'm usually not in the position to say this stuff> to my client at the time about this and it all seems to work out in > the> end. But, these are the usual feelings I am left with.>> I think there are valid reasons to hire an SEO. If a> company is looking to get things done quickly, spreading> out the workload in this way may help. Also, I suppose there are> a few resources that an SEO would have over your average> do-it-all programmer... such as shared link resources, and> perhaps some of the latest tricks etc.. So in the case, that> an organization wants the very top notch SEO compatibility, a valid> SEO may be a good choice. So no offense to> those valid SEO companies out there.>> I am always striving for fair business regarding the internet.> The internet field is a haven for shady business practices,> and it is my opinion that SEO's are among the top players.>> I say, for most situations, spend your money on a> programmer/designer... it'll go farther for the same or> better results.> [/rant]>>> Donovan>>>>> -- > =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o> DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center>> <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),->> <- Desktop Publishing, Print Consulting, Labels ->> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass ->>> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 770-3822> Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: OT: SEO ( Stuart Tremain 2007)
Re: OT: SEO ( Donovan Brooke 2007)
Re: OT: SEO ( Stuart Tremain 2007)
OT: SEO ( Gary Krockover 2007)

A fair rant Donovan ....I agree totally with you, I have found that I have learned a fair bit from them and I always insist that I am at any meeting between the SEO & my clients as often the SEO will want to create the SPAM page that you rightly mention.However I have seen the rankings of clients rise steadily due to their work, the clients have increased sales, I've made a few $$ on the side, the purchaser has been able to find what they want at the right price - everyone seems to be happy - shame the site now looks like crap !!On 05/12/2007, at 10:26 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote:> Stuart Tremain wrote:>>> We use http://www.iprospect.com>> Spent about $150k with them last year, clients are very happy with >> their outcome.>>> Most of which would have been better spent on a programmer.. IMO.>> [rant]> SEO's are, more often than not, a pain (IMNSHO). Sometimes I think> these guys are getting paid more for their "Magic" than any other> accountable service.>> O.K., I will admit that those who are actually reputable (I don't> know that there are that many), will have an edge over your> do it all programmers. However, all to often, I see these companies> getting paid way too much for a service that is not that magical and,> seemingly to me, barely justifiable.>> Am I alone on this?>> Here is a typical scenario for me... A client has me do some> database driven stuff for their website. He also has an SEO> do "stuff" for the website. SEO guy will then hire me to add> meta fields to the products and categories database (or what have> you), and then edit the respective public pages to reflect the> content. The SEO guy will also create a bunch of static pages that > each> contain non-included header info. The client will then change his> mind on the header images etc. I then am hired to change all> the SEO pages to match the new header look and feel. In the> end, my client ends up with a home page that looks like a spam> email... containing suspect links and non-related links etc..>> The end result is, yes, my client is happy even though he/she> has paid for redundant services (btw, the SEO companies always> get paid double what I do). The client is also happy (most of> the time) because the SEO guy was able to get the site ranked.> The SEO guy is happy of course (he's getting paid twice what I do> for half the skill needed ;-) ),> and I am left with this bitter sweet feeling of; Well,> I got more work out it, and; my client has to pay for> unnecessary things.>> The thing is, I'm usually not in the position to say this stuff> to my client at the time about this and it all seems to work out in > the> end. But, these are the usual feelings I am left with.>> I think there are valid reasons to hire an SEO. If a> company is looking to get things done quickly, spreading> out the workload in this way may help. Also, I suppose there are> a few resources that an SEO would have over your average> do-it-all programmer... such as shared link resources, and> perhaps some of the latest tricks etc.. So in the case, that> an organization wants the very top notch SEO compatibility, a valid> SEO may be a good choice. So no offense to> those valid SEO companies out there.>> I am always striving for fair business regarding the internet.> The internet field is a haven for shady business practices,> and it is my opinion that SEO's are among the top players.>> I say, for most situations, spend your money on a> programmer/designer... it'll go farther for the same or> better results.> [/rant]>>> Donovan>>>>> -- > =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o> DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center>> <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),->> <- Desktop Publishing, Print Consulting, Labels ->> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass ->>> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 770-3822> Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us> =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Stuart Tremain

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Re: OT: SEO

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