Re: [WebDNA] php/mySQL version of WebDNA Speed Test?

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It keeps the original formatting.
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texte = --Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So far, here my results; these are just rough tests and need tuning. I found them extremely interesting. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- php/MySQL quad Opteron 2.2GHz, 4GB RAM for apache/php Ubuntu 8 quad Opteron 2.2GHz, 8GB RAM for MySQL 5 Ubuntu 8 Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times..: 0.03 s Let's do some math (10000 times).......................................: 0.05 s Open database (2 fields), append 10000 records.........................: 3 s Search 40000 Records...................................................: 105 s Delete 10000 Records...................................................: 35 s --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WebDNA CICADA iMac 2.4GHz, 3GB RAM Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times..: 5 s Let's do some math: sin(x) 10000 times.................................: 1 s Open a database (2 fields), append 10000 records.......................: 2 s Now 40000 searches with [lookup].......................................: 2 s 10000 searches with [search]...........................................: 72 s Delete 10000 records...................................................: 7 s --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WebDNA 6.0a under Ubuntu 8 quad Opteron 2.2GHz, 4GB RAM for apache/WebDNA Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times..: 13 s Let's do some math: sin(x) 10000 times.................................: 10 s Open a database (2 fields), append 10000 records.......................: 13 s Now 40000 searches with [lookup].......................................: 70 s 10000 searches with [search]...........................................: 27 s Delete 10000 records...................................................: 9 s --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: php/mysql test and WebDNA 6.0a tests add a big stress on the servers. CICADA test shows only a light load on WebDNA engine. Here the rough code: --Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=stress.php Content-Type: text/php; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=54455854; name="stress.php" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
DescriptionThis Task (seconds / ticks)Total (seconds / ticks)
/ "; echo round($time1*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time3*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time4*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time5*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time6*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
--Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=stress.dna Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=54455854; name="stress.dna" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WebDNA Performance Test [!] ##Check for the Database first - create it if not there--[/!] [showif T=[fileinfo file=speed.db][exists][/fileinfo]] [closedatabase db=speed.db] [deletefile file=speed.db] [/showif] [showif F=[fileinfo file=speed.db][exists][/fileinfo]] [writefile file=speed.db]skuvalue [/writefile] [/showif] [!] ##Delete the records in the DB to ensure the search is 'clean'--[/!] [delete db=speed.db&neSKUdata=find_all]                                                    
(seconds) This Task
 
 
Variables
Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times
		[Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
Let's do some math: sin(x), 0<x<51, 10000 times.
		[Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
 
Database Manipulation
Open a database (2 fields), append 10000 records [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
Now 40000 searches with [raw][lookup][/raw] [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
10000 searches with [raw][search][/raw] [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
Delete the records [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
--Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was a great surprise to see the difference of performances between CICACA and 6.0a, and also the relatively unefficient lookup under 6.0a compared to the light-fast [lookup] command under CICADA. I guess more tests would be interesting.... chris On Mar 4, 2009, at 18:24, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > Based on what we have, i will post tomorrow a new php test and a new > WebDNA test, with 10 times more search/append/delete, taking care > that both tests accomplish the same tasks. > > chris > > > > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 17:48, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > >> In the current http://www.euca.us/webdnatest/show_speed.html test, >> it first wait 2 seconds, something that the php test does not do, >> it commits database to disk, something that obviously php does not >> do, it does 2 searchs with [search] and [lookup], when the php test >> only does a single one etc... and in spite of this, WebDNA is about >> twice as fast as the php test. >> >> I guess a "real world" test would be to append more DB records, >> then do more search and finally delete. I do not think that adding >> and deleting 500 folders is really representative of either WebDNA >> or PHP performances. In my opinion, a "real" test should show a >> large superiority of WebDNA over php/mysql and would be welcomed >> for webdna.us site! :-) >> >> chris >> >> >> >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:46, Dan Strong wrote: >> >>> Interesting. So do you think the results are displayed incorrectly >>> on the php/mySQL test (i.e. a decimal is moved over a few places, >>> etc.)? >>> -Dan >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:41:26 -0200 >>> christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>> with a chronometer in hand, i get the WebDNA test complete twice >>>> as fast as the php/mysql one (4s30 for the WebDNA and 9s for the >>>> php one). >>>> chris >>>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:25, Dan Strong wrote: >>>>> Please explain. I am looking for anything to refute this test >>>>> or make it more accurate, since I just went up against my IT >>>>> dept, as a WebDNA advocate, and am not ready to concede defeat >>>>> just yet. -Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:27:03 -0200 >>>>> christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>>>> "Create 500 folders named 1-500 0.01627s / 1 tick".... not >>>>>> sure if this is reliable. >>>>>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:19, Ki Song wrote: >>>>>>> Is the "This Task (seconds / ticks)" column referring to PHP/ >>>>>>> mySQL >>>>>>> times and the "Total (seconds / ticks)" referring to WebDNA >>>>>>> times? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Dan Strong >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I can't believe not a single person replied to this. From >>>>>>>> what I can see, >>>>>>>> unfortunately, php/mySQL beats the pants off of WebDNA in >>>>>>>> terms of speed, by >>>>>>>> nearly 10 to 1 :( -Dan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:23:21 -0800 >>>>>>>> "Dan Strong" wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.danstrong.com/stressTestPHP.php.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had someone code this for me. Admittedly, I am no php/ >>>>>>>>> mySQL expert, but >>>>>>>>> if the code is an actual apples-to-apples comparison, then >>>>>>>>> the results are >>>>>>>>> very interesting and not at all what I expected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Working example here: >>>>>>>>> http://www.andjelika.com/stressTest/stresstest.php >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Dan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:20:07 -0800 >>>>>>>>> "Dan Strong" wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone done an apple-to-apples comparison of php/mySQL >>>>>>>>>> vs. WebDNA. >>>>>>>>>> The php/mySQL people I ask keep pointing me to 'similar' >>>>>>>>>> tests that "do a >>>>>>>>>> bunch of stuff", but I'd like to see a side-by-side >>>>>>>>>> comparison of php/mySQL >>>>>>>>>> doing exactly what the WebDNA Speed Test does (i.e. write >>>>>>>>>> 500 folders then >>>>>>>>>> delete them, etc.). Anybody? >>>>>>>>>> -Dan >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --Apple-Mail-12-263339383-- Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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  3. Re: [WebDNA] php/mySQL version of WebDNA Speed Test? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
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  8. Re: [WebDNA] php/mySQL version of WebDNA Speed Test? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
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  11. Re: [WebDNA] php/mySQL version of WebDNA Speed Test? ("Dan Strong" 2009)
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--Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So far, here my results; these are just rough tests and need tuning. I found them extremely interesting. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- php/MySQL quad Opteron 2.2GHz, 4GB RAM for apache/php Ubuntu 8 quad Opteron 2.2GHz, 8GB RAM for MySQL 5 Ubuntu 8 Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times..: 0.03 s Let's do some math (10000 times).......................................: 0.05 s Open database (2 fields), append 10000 records.........................: 3 s Search 40000 Records...................................................: 105 s Delete 10000 Records...................................................: 35 s --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WebDNA CICADA iMac 2.4GHz, 3GB RAM Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times..: 5 s Let's do some math: sin(x) 10000 times.................................: 1 s Open a database (2 fields), append 10000 records.......................: 2 s Now 40000 searches with [lookup].......................................: 2 s 10000 searches with [search]...........................................: 72 s Delete 10000 records...................................................: 7 s --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WebDNA 6.0a under Ubuntu 8 quad Opteron 2.2GHz, 4GB RAM for apache/WebDNA Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times..: 13 s Let's do some math: sin(x) 10000 times.................................: 10 s Open a database (2 fields), append 10000 records.......................: 13 s Now 40000 searches with [lookup].......................................: 70 s 10000 searches with [search]...........................................: 27 s Delete 10000 records...................................................: 9 s --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes: php/mysql test and WebDNA 6.0a tests add a big stress on the servers. CICADA test shows only a light load on WebDNA engine. Here the rough code: --Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=stress.php Content-Type: text/php; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=54455854; name="stress.php" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
DescriptionThis Task (seconds / ticks)Total (seconds / ticks)
/ "; echo round($time1*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time3*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time4*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time5*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
/ "; echo round($time6*60);?> / "; echo round($totaltime*60);?>
--Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=stress.dna Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=54455854; name="stress.dna" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WebDNA Performance Test [!] ##Check for the Database first - create it if not there--[/!] [showif T=[fileinfo file=speed.db][exists][/fileinfo]] [closedatabase db=speed.db] [deletefile file=speed.db] [/showif] [showif F=[fileinfo file=speed.db][exists][/fileinfo]] [writefile file=speed.db]skuvalue [/writefile] [/showif] [!] ##Delete the records in the DB to ensure the search is 'clean'--[/!] [delete db=speed.db&neSKUdata=find_all]                                                    
(seconds) This Task
 
 
Variables
Text Variables - Set an increasing # into a text variable 10000 times
		[Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
Let's do some math: sin(x), 0<x<51, 10000 times.
		[Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
 
Database Manipulation
Open a database (2 fields), append 10000 records [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
Now 40000 searches with [raw][lookup][/raw] [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
10000 searches with [raw][search][/raw] [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
Delete the records [Math time]{[time]}-{[start_time]}[/Math]
--Apple-Mail-12-263339383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was a great surprise to see the difference of performances between CICACA and 6.0a, and also the relatively unefficient lookup under 6.0a compared to the light-fast [lookup] command under CICADA. I guess more tests would be interesting.... chris On Mar 4, 2009, at 18:24, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > Based on what we have, i will post tomorrow a new php test and a new > WebDNA test, with 10 times more search/append/delete, taking care > that both tests accomplish the same tasks. > > chris > > > > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 17:48, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: > >> In the current http://www.euca.us/webdnatest/show_speed.html test, >> it first wait 2 seconds, something that the php test does not do, >> it commits database to disk, something that obviously php does not >> do, it does 2 searchs with [search] and [lookup], when the php test >> only does a single one etc... and in spite of this, WebDNA is about >> twice as fast as the php test. >> >> I guess a "real world" test would be to append more DB records, >> then do more search and finally delete. I do not think that adding >> and deleting 500 folders is really representative of either WebDNA >> or PHP performances. In my opinion, a "real" test should show a >> large superiority of WebDNA over php/mysql and would be welcomed >> for webdna.us site! :-) >> >> chris >> >> >> >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:46, Dan Strong wrote: >> >>> Interesting. So do you think the results are displayed incorrectly >>> on the php/mySQL test (i.e. a decimal is moved over a few places, >>> etc.)? >>> -Dan >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:41:26 -0200 >>> christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>> with a chronometer in hand, i get the WebDNA test complete twice >>>> as fast as the php/mysql one (4s30 for the WebDNA and 9s for the >>>> php one). >>>> chris >>>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:25, Dan Strong wrote: >>>>> Please explain. I am looking for anything to refute this test >>>>> or make it more accurate, since I just went up against my IT >>>>> dept, as a WebDNA advocate, and am not ready to concede defeat >>>>> just yet. -Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:27:03 -0200 >>>>> christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >>>>>> "Create 500 folders named 1-500 0.01627s / 1 tick".... not >>>>>> sure if this is reliable. >>>>>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:19, Ki Song wrote: >>>>>>> Is the "This Task (seconds / ticks)" column referring to PHP/ >>>>>>> mySQL >>>>>>> times and the "Total (seconds / ticks)" referring to WebDNA >>>>>>> times? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Dan Strong >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I can't believe not a single person replied to this. From >>>>>>>> what I can see, >>>>>>>> unfortunately, php/mySQL beats the pants off of WebDNA in >>>>>>>> terms of speed, by >>>>>>>> nearly 10 to 1 :( -Dan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:23:21 -0800 >>>>>>>> "Dan Strong" wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.danstrong.com/stressTestPHP.php.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had someone code this for me. Admittedly, I am no php/ >>>>>>>>> mySQL expert, but >>>>>>>>> if the code is an actual apples-to-apples comparison, then >>>>>>>>> the results are >>>>>>>>> very interesting and not at all what I expected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Working example here: >>>>>>>>> http://www.andjelika.com/stressTest/stresstest.php >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Dan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:20:07 -0800 >>>>>>>>> "Dan Strong" wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone done an apple-to-apples comparison of php/mySQL >>>>>>>>>> vs. WebDNA. >>>>>>>>>> The php/mySQL people I ask keep pointing me to 'similar' >>>>>>>>>> tests that "do a >>>>>>>>>> bunch of stuff", but I'd like to see a side-by-side >>>>>>>>>> comparison of php/mySQL >>>>>>>>>> doing exactly what the WebDNA Speed Test does (i.e. write >>>>>>>>>> 500 folders then >>>>>>>>>> delete them, etc.). Anybody? >>>>>>>>>> -Dan >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --Apple-Mail-12-263339383-- christophe.billiottet@webdna.us

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