Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't

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2009

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texte = Well said!!! Especially the sentiment about how many 'real' php programmers there really are, as opposed to people who merely implement pre-built code. Same goes for javascript.The part about us WebDNA users all being the real thing is so true. Even our new users are writing original code; there's no other way! WebDNA is making a better programmer out of them, no? I have a difficult time describing what I do without sounding like all the other so-called web developers out there. In fact, I have taken to calling myself a software developer. Because that's really what we are all doing.I'm wondering... do you ever pipe in about how easy the solution would be in WebDNA with examples, or is that a no-no on that forum/list?TerryOn Jun 18, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote:> Frank Nordberg wrote:>> To answer the question in the subject line from a different angle, >> what php has and WebDNA doesn't have is command lines.>>> Frank, are you talking about the ability to feed PHP command lines via> the shell? If so, stay tuned. ;-)>>>> There's a huge psycological barrier there. All trained programmers >> have learned to think in command lines. Having to aproach >> something you think you know well from a completely different and >> unfamiliar angle is scary.>> Frank>>> Here is my slant on the subject... Though I'm not sure I will have > anything to say that hasn't already been said.>> Even though I have a core interest in WebDNA, I'm not going to > deflate the validity of PHP. It is a daily warrior of server-side > programming, and it is the most widely used solution. Also, if you > know C++ or Java/Javascript, you already have a head start with > PHP.. though you still need to learn the intricacies of the > language and the (custom) function libs etc.. which takes years > really.>> I've been a PHP list member for years now, and what I see > **weekly** there is question after question on the smallest/easiest > of things. For example, there is currently a 40+ posting thread > that started with> the question:>> "I am having difficulties figuring out how enter retrieved data into a> dropdown box for editing.">> My gosh, we do this stuff without even thinking now, don't we?... > well, most of us at least.>> There was recently another thread that was about submitting form input> and then trying to loop through the input to do stuff with it> on the next page... There were 10's of various answers each with> a significant amount of code involved... I just really wanted to say:>> [formvariables..][/formvariables]!>> (here is an example of this:> http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html? > page=detail&threadid=612&category=252> )>> Like I said, I see proof/examples of this stuff weekly.>> So, my point (and conclusion) is, there are a lot of installations > of PHP out there.. but> most of them are drones. ...Perhaps someone achieved the ability to > make> a pre-built forum work, or perhaps PHP was enabled to get some > other pre-built app/function working.. but *most* of the PHP > installations are like this.. no custom> stuff, just enacted to make a pre-built thing work... or maybe just> enacted for no reason. ;-)>> People who buy and install WebDNA, use WebDNA.>> What hanging around the PHP forum tells me is that we (as a base > group)> are operating, relatively, in a higher plane than PHP'ers in > regards to> "end result". In other words, the ratio of 'accomplishment' to > 'number of users' is astronomically higher with our community than > with the PHP community.>> Having said this, I know there are some amazing PHP users out there> who are creating cutting edge stuff (and more power to them).. but > I'll also bet the top tier is not that large.>> What PHP has that WebDNA does not have is a multitude> of options.. API's, Pre-Built Apps, Custom (Open Source) functions > libs/classes to do about anything you need.>> (though, I would wager that it takes just about> as much time to build an API in WebDNA as it does to install a pre- > built> API in PHP in many cases. ;-) )>> As Chris mentioned, starting with this small ImageMagick utility, we> plan on improving these short comings drastically in the coming> years. I think we can bridge these gaps rather quickly, especially > if the community gets involved.>> WebDNA was created from the start for the web. It is intuitive, > especially to new users. (I like the word 'elegant' too, as someone > else expressed). It is simple and to the point, yet offers depth > when needed.>> My favorite thing to say about WebDNA is that it is a "catalyst for > creativity and innovation".>> Donovan <-- Has to go pay attention to his clients now!>>> -- > Donovan Brooke> WebDNA Software Corporation> http://www.webdna.us> **[Square Bracket Utopia]**> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Terry Wilson 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Donovan Brooke 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Lawrence Banahan 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Frank Nordberg 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't ("Psi Prime, Matthew A Perosi " 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Donovan Brooke 2009)
RE: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't ("Michael A. DeLorenzo" 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Terry Wilson 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2009)
RE: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't ("Tana Adams" 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Gil Poulsen 2009)
RE: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't ("Michael A. DeLorenzo" 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2009)
Re: [WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Matthew Bohne 2009)
[WebDNA] What does PHP(5) has, that Webdna hasn't (Lawrence Banahan 2009)

Well said!!! Especially the sentiment about how many 'real' php programmers there really are, as opposed to people who merely implement pre-built code. Same goes for javascript.The part about us WebDNA users all being the real thing is so true. Even our new users are writing original code; there's no other way! WebDNA is making a better programmer out of them, no? I have a difficult time describing what I do without sounding like all the other so-called web developers out there. In fact, I have taken to calling myself a software developer. Because that's really what we are all doing.I'm wondering... do you ever pipe in about how easy the solution would be in WebDNA with examples, or is that a no-no on that forum/list?TerryOn Jun 18, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote:> Frank Nordberg wrote:>> To answer the question in the subject line from a different angle, >> what php has and WebDNA doesn't have is command lines.>>> Frank, are you talking about the ability to feed PHP command lines via> the shell? If so, stay tuned. ;-)>>>> There's a huge psycological barrier there. All trained programmers >> have learned to think in command lines. Having to aproach >> something you think you know well from a completely different and >> unfamiliar angle is scary.>> Frank>>> Here is my slant on the subject... Though I'm not sure I will have > anything to say that hasn't already been said.>> Even though I have a core interest in WebDNA, I'm not going to > deflate the validity of PHP. It is a daily warrior of server-side > programming, and it is the most widely used solution. Also, if you > know C++ or Java/Javascript, you already have a head start with > PHP.. though you still need to learn the intricacies of the > language and the (custom) function libs etc.. which takes years > really.>> I've been a PHP list member for years now, and what I see > **weekly** there is question after question on the smallest/easiest > of things. For example, there is currently a 40+ posting thread > that started with> the question:>> "I am having difficulties figuring out how enter retrieved data into a> dropdown box for editing.">> My gosh, we do this stuff without even thinking now, don't we?... > well, most of us at least.>> There was recently another thread that was about submitting form input> and then trying to loop through the input to do stuff with it> on the next page... There were 10's of various answers each with> a significant amount of code involved... I just really wanted to say:>> [formvariables..][/formvariables]!>> (here is an example of this:> http://forum.webdna.us/eucabb.html? > page=detail&threadid=612&category=252> )>> Like I said, I see proof/examples of this stuff weekly.>> So, my point (and conclusion) is, there are a lot of installations > of PHP out there.. but> most of them are drones. ...Perhaps someone achieved the ability to > make> a pre-built forum work, or perhaps PHP was enabled to get some > other pre-built app/function working.. but *most* of the PHP > installations are like this.. no custom> stuff, just enacted to make a pre-built thing work... or maybe just> enacted for no reason. ;-)>> People who buy and install WebDNA, use WebDNA.>> What hanging around the PHP forum tells me is that we (as a base > group)> are operating, relatively, in a higher plane than PHP'ers in > regards to> "end result". In other words, the ratio of 'accomplishment' to > 'number of users' is astronomically higher with our community than > with the PHP community.>> Having said this, I know there are some amazing PHP users out there> who are creating cutting edge stuff (and more power to them).. but > I'll also bet the top tier is not that large.>> What PHP has that WebDNA does not have is a multitude> of options.. API's, Pre-Built Apps, Custom (Open Source) functions > libs/classes to do about anything you need.>> (though, I would wager that it takes just about> as much time to build an API in WebDNA as it does to install a pre- > built> API in PHP in many cases. ;-) )>> As Chris mentioned, starting with this small ImageMagick utility, we> plan on improving these short comings drastically in the coming> years. I think we can bridge these gaps rather quickly, especially > if the community gets involved.>> WebDNA was created from the start for the web. It is intuitive, > especially to new users. (I like the word 'elegant' too, as someone > else expressed). It is simple and to the point, yet offers depth > when needed.>> My favorite thing to say about WebDNA is that it is a "catalyst for > creativity and innovation".>> Donovan <-- Has to go pay attention to his clients now!>>> -- > Donovan Brooke> WebDNA Software Corporation> http://www.webdna.us> **[Square Bracket Utopia]**> ---------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us> old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ Terry Wilson

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