Re: [WebDNA] Serial numbers and pricing for WebDNA 7.0
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2011
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 106107
interpreted = N
texte = >and when there is *a lot* of RAM db activity.. then their site comes to a >crawl (like maybe this is even what is making the http://www.webdna.us site >so slow?), I'll take this one since I'm the one who re-skinned the site. The only slowness I ever experience on webdna.us is when I hit the site with a fresh cache, the red background image takes a while to load, and I admit it's pretty hefty (134k). It's a physically large background meant to be able to cover very the very large screens people are using today (3000 x 2000). Once it's cached the site zips along for me from page to page. I'd remove it, but I wanted to really make the site look polished and when I try and reduce the quality of that image it gets pretty crappy looking. Clearly there are less heavy alternatives and I suppose if there were enough complaints I could change it. As for the redirections, Chris's CMS, which is what runs the site, used URLs like this "http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=39", and the redirections I implemented make them friendly: "http://www.webdna.us/a-short-description-of-webdna-tags.dna". My hope was to improve our search engine rankings, and by and large it did, but since there are still links like "?numero=39" throughout the body of the site, the search engines are indexing them like that still anyway. See: http://www.google.com/search?q=webdna+site:webdna.us . A pretty tedious and exhaustive task of finding and replacing all hardcoded "numero" links to their "friendly" equivalents needs to be done, and I just simply haven't had the time. Also, I'm pretty sure the site is hosted in Germany (209.236.238.140 - http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=209.236.238.140 ), and for us in the USA, it does seem to add a few extra milliseconds to the hops to get there, but as I said, for me, it's negligible. Mirroring the site in the USA, I think, would be a good idea, but we've never discussed it. Lastly, although the plan has been for me to help market WebDNA, and to improve the website by doing things like unifying the search to include old and new archives, as well as site content, and generally improve the search, and also the organization and navigation of the site in general has always seemed a little wonky to me, so I'd like to improve that as well, but it's an inherent function of Chris's CMS, and the fact of the matter is that WSC has very slim resources, and my time has become quite scare of late and at some point over the summer, we decided that since Chris was going to overhaul the engine to be the new and improved paradigm-changing fCGI, it made no sense to do a marketing push until he was done. As of now, I am under the impression that sometime in February is the ETA and I have very recently turned in to Chris a detailed marketing plan and budget which we are discussing as we speak. I imagine this post will spark some conversation (would be nice to see some activity around here again, : - ) ), and I'll answer anything directed to me as best I can, but know that WSC is controlled by Chris and he calls the shots, so I will ultimately defer to him for any "official" responses that are required. -Dan Strong Chief Marketing Officer WebDNA Software Corporation -------------------------------------------------- From: "Govinda"
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:09 AM To: Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Serial numbers and pricing for WebDNA 7.0 >> >> WebDNA is a pretty stable and mature product. There will be updates if we >> can further improve it, or even new versions if some interesting new >> features are suggested. I just don't want to fall into the Microsoft or >> Adobe policy which is to add a new version every year just to make >> customers feel they need it, but finally get disappointed because there >> is nothing really new. > > > Hi Chris! > > Your comment above was good and thought-provoking too. > > I am have one big new project coming up and am torn between doing it in > Webdna (what is faster, what I know thoroughly, and what I love) versus > doing it in PHP (which I want to learn ever more because I get work in it > and because it is so commonplace). But anyway the only real main reason I > am hesitant to use Webdna is because I am expecting the new site to become > extremely busy at some point and the central databases to become huge (in > the GBs). Webdna does have all the tools I would need, but the one area I > have not been 100% confident is in watching people complain off and on > over the years that when a site gets 'too much' traffic.. and when there > is *a lot* of RAM db activity.. then their site comes to a crawl (like > maybe this is even what is making the http://www.webdna.us site so slow?), > or worse yet Webdna has to be restarted regularly. Perhaps all these > years it was always due to some memory leak that has meanwhile been fixed > in v.7? (like for example it took one of my clients until a few months ago > to discover that one achilles heel in her site was [appending] records by > the thousands (even to a purely RAM [table]!) caused Webdna to hang). I > am nervous about being the new guinea pig. I wold feel somewhat more > confident about it if I knew that the SQL tags were 100% mature and > robust, so that I could make my HUGE dbs in SQL (maybe MySQL) .. but I > have never used SQL outside of PHP and I am not even sure Webdna's SQL > tags are current. Are they? For MySQL? Are you, or is anyone here, > using them for real *large/heavily-trafficked* mission critical projects? > > ------------ > Govinda > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >
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>and when there is *a lot* of RAM db activity.. then their site comes to a >crawl (like maybe this is even what is making the http://www.webdna.us site >so slow?), I'll take this one since I'm the one who re-skinned the site. The only slowness I ever experience on webdna.us is when I hit the site with a fresh cache, the red background image takes a while to load, and I admit it's pretty hefty (134k). It's a physically large background meant to be able to cover very the very large screens people are using today (3000 x 2000). Once it's cached the site zips along for me from page to page. I'd remove it, but I wanted to really make the site look polished and when I try and reduce the quality of that image it gets pretty crappy looking. Clearly there are less heavy alternatives and I suppose if there were enough complaints I could change it. As for the redirections, Chris's CMS, which is what runs the site, used URLs like this "http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=39", and the redirections I implemented make them friendly: "http://www.webdna.us/a-short-description-of-webdna-tags.dna". My hope was to improve our search engine rankings, and by and large it did, but since there are still links like "?numero=39" throughout the body of the site, the search engines are indexing them like that still anyway. See: http://www.google.com/search?q=webdna+site:webdna.us . A pretty tedious and exhaustive task of finding and replacing all hardcoded "numero" links to their "friendly" equivalents needs to be done, and I just simply haven't had the time. Also, I'm pretty sure the site is hosted in Germany (209.236.238.140 - http://www.infosniper.net/index.php?ip_address=209.236.238.140 ), and for us in the USA, it does seem to add a few extra milliseconds to the hops to get there, but as I said, for me, it's negligible. Mirroring the site in the USA, I think, would be a good idea, but we've never discussed it. Lastly, although the plan has been for me to help market WebDNA, and to improve the website by doing things like unifying the search to include old and new archives, as well as site content, and generally improve the search, and also the organization and navigation of the site in general has always seemed a little wonky to me, so I'd like to improve that as well, but it's an inherent function of Chris's CMS, and the fact of the matter is that WSC has very slim resources, and my time has become quite scare of late and at some point over the summer, we decided that since Chris was going to overhaul the engine to be the new and improved paradigm-changing fCGI, it made no sense to do a marketing push until he was done. As of now, I am under the impression that sometime in February is the ETA and I have very recently turned in to Chris a detailed marketing plan and budget which we are discussing as we speak. I imagine this post will spark some conversation (would be nice to see some activity around here again, : - ) ), and I'll answer anything directed to me as best I can, but know that WSC is controlled by Chris and he calls the shots, so I will ultimately defer to him for any "official" responses that are required. -Dan Strong Chief Marketing Officer WebDNA Software Corporation -------------------------------------------------- From: "Govinda" Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:09 AM To: Subject: Re: [WebDNA] Serial numbers and pricing for WebDNA 7.0 >> >> WebDNA is a pretty stable and mature product. There will be updates if we >> can further improve it, or even new versions if some interesting new >> features are suggested. I just don't want to fall into the Microsoft or >> Adobe policy which is to add a new version every year just to make >> customers feel they need it, but finally get disappointed because there >> is nothing really new. > > > Hi Chris! > > Your comment above was good and thought-provoking too. > > I am have one big new project coming up and am torn between doing it in > Webdna (what is faster, what I know thoroughly, and what I love) versus > doing it in PHP (which I want to learn ever more because I get work in it > and because it is so commonplace). But anyway the only real main reason I > am hesitant to use Webdna is because I am expecting the new site to become > extremely busy at some point and the central databases to become huge (in > the GBs). Webdna does have all the tools I would need, but the one area I > have not been 100% confident is in watching people complain off and on > over the years that when a site gets 'too much' traffic.. and when there > is *a lot* of RAM db activity.. then their site comes to a crawl (like > maybe this is even what is making the http://www.webdna.us site so slow?), > or worse yet Webdna has to be restarted regularly. Perhaps all these > years it was always due to some memory leak that has meanwhile been fixed > in v.7? (like for example it took one of my clients until a few months ago > to discover that one achilles heel in her site was [appending] records by > the thousands (even to a purely RAM [table]!) caused Webdna to hang). I > am nervous about being the new guinea pig. I wold feel somewhat more > confident about it if I knew that the SQL tags were 100% mature and > robust, so that I could make my HUGE dbs in SQL (maybe MySQL) .. but I > have never used SQL outside of PHP and I am not even sure Webdna's SQL > tags are current. Are they? For MySQL? Are you, or is anyone here, > using them for real *large/heavily-trafficked* mission critical projects? > > ------------ > Govinda > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >
"Dan Strong"
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