RE: [WebDNA] WebDNA app
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2013
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texte = Can't speak for the rest but when dealing with POS terminals, say Micros for example, there are warranty issues governing 3rd party software co-existing on the same box. If we use those same resources (eg web server, db server. Etc.) ....if the shit hit the fan, major up-time issues and finger pointing occurs. WebDNA has a small footprint ....has its own internal DB and if embedded with its own integrated light server (just enough to run WebDNA and its DB) ....that would be perfect since the primary vendor for the POS cannot claim that the sharing of services or resources would complicate the safe running of the POS Enterprise solution. There are many clients wishing to offer more integrated options like PDA ordering systems, tablet menus etc.., however, the primary vendors are charging an arm and a leg if they have a solution or many just do not offer anything unless it comes with serious $$$ box upgrades and a whole bunch of added new cost. So, in we come as developers to bridge that gap and a runtime solution fits nicely. Realbasic, now called Xojo has such a thing. That said, WebDNA is seriously a beautiful way to program and I prefer that over any others I have seen. Multidmedia for example, allows development in Flash, integrating it with other 3rd party runtime and if WebDNA is one of them ...way cool too. Maybe it is time WebDNA slept around with other partners to see if a solid symbiotic partnership can be formed. The initial cost to evolve a runtime version, even if it is for an elite group or many, one platform or more is still the same ....HUGE. Going at it alone, too me ....is not going to materialize ....unless a sugar daddy (investors) pops in ....and you are not going to get that unless there is a tangible future or path for progression. I know it is just that ...a wish ....not practical at this point in time for WebDNA Software. You guys got way too much to do with limited resources so it would be best to focus on first walking right before attempting to run with new ideas. Nope, it will not enlarge you customer base at the present time. Runtime versions are best suited for closed solutions. I have used it for MIS and business process automation and yes there is a market ....but, without the proper tools ....difficult to see how big it can get. Now days, we are being asked to developed a lot of web based R.I.A. ....and a WebDNA plug-in (mini-runtime monsters so to speak) that works with Chrome browsers would be super-cool. Just like Xojo Web Applications ....they just released their version and I am exploring ....so will revert back if folks are interested. Again, I am happy with WebDNA but times are changing fast and what I see is the "Kodak" moment .....great yesterday but will be gone tomorrow if we do not keep abreast with emerging main stream technologies and reinvent what WebDNA has to offer. Will you take WebDNA away from me ....not on your life but I am getting old and have not seen a lot of changes to WebDNA since way back "WebCatalog" days ....essentially, it is still the same with different packaging. All the other software I use ....have been introducing more and more changes, taking different paths and evolving. Alas, some has even died out. WebDNA ....is still around and kicking. For that, I am eternally grateful because it has helped me put my children through University and brought joy to my programming life ....always found a way to get things done with WebDNA. So ...yes, I would love a runtime version (web app) but am pragmatic. That said ...my blessings and well wishes to all especially the WebDNA owners and staff that are still fighting the good fight. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year .....wishing you more good years ahead. Cheers Terry Donald Nair -----Original Message----- From: christophe.billiottet@webdna.us [mailto:christophe.billiottet@webdna.us] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 15:07 To:
Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA app There are webserver licensing aspects to consider, as well as technical: would it make things simpler, or more complicated? would it satisfy everyone, or just few? what about those who need php or else running along with WebDNA? would it enlarge our customer base or restrict it? Many questions we have to think about. Feel free to add your ideas on this. - chris On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:51 AM, WebDNA wrote: > There was a runtime version of PHP I think, many years ago that prompted me ask about one for WebDNA. > > Regards > > Stuart Tremain > IDFK Web Developments > AUSTRALIA > webdna@idfk.com.au > > > > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 5:40 pm, Terry Nair wrote: > >> To add on ....the http port to be set in preferences since port 80 is not >> always the desired port. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Nair [mailto:terrynair@prism4u.com] >> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 14:38 >> To: talk@webdna.us >> Subject: RE: [WebDNA] WebDNA app >> >> Same here .... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WebDNA [mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au] >> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 14:33 >> To: WebDNA Talk List >> Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA app >> >> Single binary >> >> >> Regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> IDFK Web Developments >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@idfk.com.au >> >> >> >> >> On 29 Nov 2013, at 5:29 pm, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >> >>> Hi Frank! how would you see that? a kind of "WebDNA + built-in web server" >> in one single binary? or a pre-built WebDNA + webserver installation? >>> >>> >>> - chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:02 PM, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: >>> >>>> Since I don't seem to be the only one up at this hour (4 am in >>>> Hawaii), >> does anyone else think it would be a GREAT idea to have a runtime version or >> WebDNA, or an App that you could run on a single computer? I have clients >> that I could do so much with, but they won't put data on the internet even >> with a secure server. >>>> >>>> I supposed it would have to have a little web server built in, but it >> would be so much easier than convincing some of these companies to install >> ISS or whatever on their network or adding a box just for WebDNA. A network >> version would be even better, and I would pay for those each and every time >> and bill the client. One price for a single computer, more for the network >> version. >>>> >>>> Christophe/Donovan? >>>> >>>> Hopefully, >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This >>>> message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list >>>> . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: >>>> http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: >>>> support@webdna.us >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list >> . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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Can't speak for the rest but when dealing with POS terminals, say Micros for example, there are warranty issues governing 3rd party software co-existing on the same box. If we use those same resources (eg web server, db server. Etc.) ....if the shit hit the fan, major up-time issues and finger pointing occurs. WebDNA has a small footprint ....has its own internal DB and if embedded with its own integrated light server (just enough to run WebDNA and its DB) ....that would be perfect since the primary vendor for the POS cannot claim that the sharing of services or resources would complicate the safe running of the POS Enterprise solution. There are many clients wishing to offer more integrated options like PDA ordering systems, tablet menus etc.., however, the primary vendors are charging an arm and a leg if they have a solution or many just do not offer anything unless it comes with serious $$$ box upgrades and a whole bunch of added new cost. So, in we come as developers to bridge that gap and a runtime solution fits nicely. Realbasic, now called Xojo has such a thing. That said, WebDNA is seriously a beautiful way to program and I prefer that over any others I have seen. Multidmedia for example, allows development in Flash, integrating it with other 3rd party runtime and if WebDNA is one of them ...way cool too. Maybe it is time WebDNA slept around with other partners to see if a solid symbiotic partnership can be formed. The initial cost to evolve a runtime version, even if it is for an elite group or many, one platform or more is still the same ....HUGE. Going at it alone, too me ....is not going to materialize ....unless a sugar daddy (investors) pops in ....and you are not going to get that unless there is a tangible future or path for progression. I know it is just that ...a wish ....not practical at this point in time for WebDNA Software. You guys got way too much to do with limited resources so it would be best to focus on first walking right before attempting to run with new ideas. Nope, it will not enlarge you customer base at the present time. Runtime versions are best suited for closed solutions. I have used it for MIS and business process automation and yes there is a market ....but, without the proper tools ....difficult to see how big it can get. Now days, we are being asked to developed a lot of web based R.I.A. ....and a WebDNA plug-in (mini-runtime monsters so to speak) that works with Chrome browsers would be super-cool. Just like Xojo Web Applications ....they just released their version and I am exploring ....so will revert back if folks are interested. Again, I am happy with WebDNA but times are changing fast and what I see is the "Kodak" moment .....great yesterday but will be gone tomorrow if we do not keep abreast with emerging main stream technologies and reinvent what WebDNA has to offer. Will you take WebDNA away from me ....not on your life but I am getting old and have not seen a lot of changes to WebDNA since way back "WebCatalog" days ....essentially, it is still the same with different packaging. All the other software I use ....have been introducing more and more changes, taking different paths and evolving. Alas, some has even died out. WebDNA ....is still around and kicking. For that, I am eternally grateful because it has helped me put my children through University and brought joy to my programming life ....always found a way to get things done with WebDNA. So ...yes, I would love a runtime version (web app) but am pragmatic. That said ...my blessings and well wishes to all especially the WebDNA owners and staff that are still fighting the good fight. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year .....wishing you more good years ahead. Cheers Terry Donald Nair -----Original Message----- From: christophe.billiottet@webdna.us [mailto:christophe.billiottet@webdna.us] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 15:07 To: Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA app There are webserver licensing aspects to consider, as well as technical: would it make things simpler, or more complicated? would it satisfy everyone, or just few? what about those who need php or else running along with WebDNA? would it enlarge our customer base or restrict it? Many questions we have to think about. Feel free to add your ideas on this. - chris On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:51 AM, WebDNA wrote: > There was a runtime version of PHP I think, many years ago that prompted me ask about one for WebDNA. > > Regards > > Stuart Tremain > IDFK Web Developments > AUSTRALIA > webdna@idfk.com.au > > > > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 5:40 pm, Terry Nair wrote: > >> To add on ....the http port to be set in preferences since port 80 is not >> always the desired port. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Nair [mailto:terrynair@prism4u.com] >> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 14:38 >> To: talk@webdna.us >> Subject: RE: [WebDNA] WebDNA app >> >> Same here .... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WebDNA [mailto:webdna@idfk.com.au] >> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 14:33 >> To: WebDNA Talk List >> Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA app >> >> Single binary >> >> >> Regards >> >> Stuart Tremain >> IDFK Web Developments >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@idfk.com.au >> >> >> >> >> On 29 Nov 2013, at 5:29 pm, christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: >> >>> Hi Frank! how would you see that? a kind of "WebDNA + built-in web server" >> in one single binary? or a pre-built WebDNA + webserver installation? >>> >>> >>> - chris >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:02 PM, C. Frank Wolfe wrote: >>> >>>> Since I don't seem to be the only one up at this hour (4 am in >>>> Hawaii), >> does anyone else think it would be a GREAT idea to have a runtime version or >> WebDNA, or an App that you could run on a single computer? I have clients >> that I could do so much with, but they won't put data on the internet even >> with a secure server. >>>> >>>> I supposed it would have to have a little web server built in, but it >> would be so much easier than convincing some of these companies to install >> ISS or whatever on their network or adding a box just for WebDNA. A network >> version would be even better, and I would pay for those each and every time >> and bill the client. One price for a single computer, more for the network >> version. >>>> >>>> Christophe/Donovan? >>>> >>>> Hopefully, >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This >>>> message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list >>>> . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: >>>> http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: >>>> support@webdna.us >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list >> . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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