Re: [WebDNA] "Safe Write for Database" setting....
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texte = 219If a reboot doesn=92t fix it, maybe write some troubleshooting code.On the form, write to a debug file exactly what webdna is going to write =to the database. Directly after, do a search on that database and write =to the debug file the result of what happened after the database =transaction.Surround the entire thing in [elapsedtime] and record that as well.=20Sincerely,DonovanOn Mar 15, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Rich Kwas
=wrote:> Like usual, it happened 2x on 2 different ad listings I'm being told, =and been stable ever since.> That's what makes it so frustrating. Can't seem to pin down the why.>=20> I'll keep my eye on those error logs..>=20>=20>=20>=20> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:45 PM, Donovan Brooke =wrote:>=20>=20> This means that you haven't had any issues with your database. (No =need to mess with safe write) =20>=20> Watch that your error logs don't get too big, now that you've turned =them on.=20>=20> Lots of stuff can change on a server in 10 years ;-) (Even if you =don't touch it)>=20> I'd start with Stuart's suggestion.=20>=20> D. Brooke Mobile>=20> On Mar 15, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Rich Kwas =wrote:>=20>> I don't seem to have any .db-tmp files anywhere .>> They would be in the same "globals " folder as the main database =right?>>=20>> I did not have error logging turned on.>> Just enabled that.>>=20>> Nothings changed in this site really for years and years. Same db, =same admin area, same everything. Just every now and then this occurs.>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 4:43 PM, Stuart Tremain = wrote:>>=20>>=20>> Are you getting a lot of .db-tmp files being written for the db ?>>=20>> If you are then there could be a problem with either your code or =some of the content, based on the fact that the site has been =operational for many years, I would open the .db file and check the =content, also check your error log.txt>>=20>> Kind regards>>=20>> Stuart Tremain>> IDFK Web Developments>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 08:09, Rich Kwas =wrote:>>>=20>>> I already using [COMMITDATABASE db=3DFileName] in all the admin =pages where they edit these ads...>>>=20>>> Problem still pops up every now and then, like today again.>>>=20>>> Thoughts on the "Safe Write" setting?>>>=20>>>=20>>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 4:01 PM, Stuart Tremain = wrote:>>>=20>>>=20>>> =46rom memory, there was a bug in =93Automatically commit databases =to disk after modification=94, I wonder if this was associated with your =problem ?>>>=20>>> You can always add [COMMITDATABASE db=3DFileName] after the =modification just to make sure.>>>=20>>> Kind regards>>>=20>>> Stuart Tremain>>> IDFK Web Developments>>> AUSTRALIA>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 07:15, Rich Kwas =wrote:>>>>=20>>>> Is it safe to disable ""Safe Write for Database" in Preferences???>>>>=20>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>>>> Safe Write DB:>>>> Enabled by default. Sets the WebDNA engine to create a temporary =file when writing the contents of a database to disk. The temporary file =contents are then moved to the original database file after the entire =database is completely flushed to disk. This helps to eliminate =corruption of the original database file if there is an interruption =during the database write process.>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D>>>>=20>>>> If I disable this setting will all changes be written to the db on =the HD immediately, without that need for a temporary file?>>>>=20>>>> I've been having this issue "again" where a client says they make =changes to ad listings stored in the database, but then all the changes =are gone a few moments later. Like they never were altered in the first =place....>>>>=20>>>> This site has been for over 10 years and the admin area has not =been changed recently or much over that time span...>>>>=20>>>> There is no consistency to this issue.>>>> It happens (like today) but may not happen for days or weeks.>>>>=20>>>> I'm wondering if this "temporary file" and the original database on =disk are somehow under some circumstances getting out of sync.>>>>=20>>>> The db isn't that large, having 2,111 records,151 Fields and using =4,759K of ram.>>>>=20>>>> I'm wondering if disabling "Safe Write" might be an option to try =and prevent this in the future.>>>>=20>>>> Very frustrating for the client.I can't seem to duplicate it =myself,but I believe them when they say it happens.I may have posted =about this issue in the past as well.>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> I'm on Windows Server2008 using vers.6.2>>>> I have nearly 1gb of unused ram on the server, plenty of hard drive =space....>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> I've attached a screen capture of my Preferences in case anything =else can be tinkered with.>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>>=20>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>=20>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us> --------------------------------------------------------- This message =is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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219If a reboot doesn=92t fix it, maybe write some troubleshooting code.On the form, write to a debug file exactly what webdna is going to write =to the database. Directly after, do a search on that database and write =to the debug file the result of what happened after the database =transaction.Surround the entire thing in [elapsedtime] and record that as well.=20Sincerely,DonovanOn Mar 15, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Rich Kwas =wrote:> Like usual, it happened 2x on 2 different ad listings I'm being told, =and been stable ever since.> That's what makes it so frustrating. Can't seem to pin down the why.>=20> I'll keep my eye on those error logs..>=20>=20>=20>=20> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:45 PM, Donovan Brooke =wrote:>=20>=20> This means that you haven't had any issues with your database. (No =need to mess with safe write) =20>=20> Watch that your error logs don't get too big, now that you've turned =them on.=20>=20> Lots of stuff can change on a server in 10 years ;-) (Even if you =don't touch it)>=20> I'd start with Stuart's suggestion.=20>=20> D. Brooke Mobile>=20> On Mar 15, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Rich Kwas =wrote:>=20>> I don't seem to have any .db-tmp files anywhere .>> They would be in the same "globals " folder as the main database =right?>>=20>> I did not have error logging turned on.>> Just enabled that.>>=20>> Nothings changed in this site really for years and years. Same db, =same admin area, same everything. Just every now and then this occurs.>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 4:43 PM, Stuart Tremain = wrote:>>=20>>=20>> Are you getting a lot of .db-tmp files being written for the db ?>>=20>> If you are then there could be a problem with either your code or =some of the content, based on the fact that the site has been =operational for many years, I would open the .db file and check the =content, also check your error log.txt>>=20>> Kind regards>>=20>> Stuart Tremain>> IDFK Web Developments>> AUSTRALIA>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>=20>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 08:09, Rich Kwas =wrote:>>>=20>>> I already using [COMMITDATABASE db=3DFileName] in all the admin =pages where they edit these ads...>>>=20>>> Problem still pops up every now and then, like today again.>>>=20>>> Thoughts on the "Safe Write" setting?>>>=20>>>=20>>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 4:01 PM, Stuart Tremain = wrote:>>>=20>>>=20>>> =46rom memory, there was a bug in =93Automatically commit databases =to disk after modification=94, I wonder if this was associated with your =problem ?>>>=20>>> You can always add [COMMITDATABASE db=3DFileName] after the =modification just to make sure.>>>=20>>> Kind regards>>>=20>>> Stuart Tremain>>> IDFK Web Developments>>> AUSTRALIA>>> webdna@idfk.com.au>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>=20>>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 07:15, Rich Kwas =wrote:>>>>=20>>>> Is it safe to disable ""Safe Write for Database" in Preferences???>>>>=20>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>>>> Safe Write DB:>>>> Enabled by default. Sets the WebDNA engine to create a temporary =file when writing the contents of a database to disk. The temporary file =contents are then moved to the original database file after the entire =database is completely flushed to disk. This helps to eliminate =corruption of the original database file if there is an interruption =during the database write process.>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D=3D=3D>>>>=20>>>> If I disable this setting will all changes be written to the db on =the HD immediately, without that need for a temporary file?>>>>=20>>>> I've been having this issue "again" where a client says they make =changes to ad listings stored in the database, but then all the changes =are gone a few moments later. Like they never were altered in the first =place....>>>>=20>>>> This site has been for over 10 years and the admin area has not =been changed recently or much over that time span...>>>>=20>>>> There is no consistency to this issue.>>>> It happens (like today) but may not happen for days or weeks.>>>>=20>>>> I'm wondering if this "temporary file" and the original database on =disk are somehow under some circumstances getting out of sync.>>>>=20>>>> The db isn't that large, having 2,111 records,151 Fields and using =4,759K of ram.>>>>=20>>>> I'm wondering if disabling "Safe Write" might be an option to try =and prevent this in the future.>>>>=20>>>> Very frustrating for the client.I can't seem to duplicate it =myself,but I believe them when they say it happens.I may have posted =about this issue in the past as well.>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> I'm on Windows Server2008 using vers.6.2>>>> I have nearly 1gb of unused ram on the server, plenty of hard drive =space....>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> I've attached a screen capture of my Preferences in case anything =else can be tinkered with.>>>>=20>>>>=20>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>>=20>>>=20>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us>>=20>>=20>> --------------------------------------------------------- This =message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . =To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: =http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us Bug Reporting: =support@webdna.us> --------------------------------------------------------- This message =is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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