Re: [WebDNA] El Capitan

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2017


It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 113899
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texte = 1499 --f403043730c0f5b99d0560be4876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own servers because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and the one that does wants a fortune per domain!!!! I'm sure you know who they are! Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes deleted. And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4 answers and or replies...? And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any unix based machine! Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a "little" help migrating over to the new server! I already rewrote the to work on the new server... and tried unloading and loading mod's and no solution there I could find. Sendmail and postfix the only issue now.... The new mac upgraded will NOT let me start in "recovery mode" so I can not change the file permissions in so I put the .plist in with WebDNA.plist and does not start and when started does not send mail through google like older machine. Label org.postfix.master Program /usr/libexec/postfix/master ProgramArguments master QueueDirectories /var/spool/postfix/maildrop AbandonProcessGroup KeepAlive the newer apache says "#####mydomain_fallback = localhost" can no longer be used and the addition of "#####inet_protocols = ipv4" or the only two differences I can notice. I've seen others post server questions here without all the "backlash".... I don't see Apache or Postfix and different that a JSON post... working hand-in-hand... On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > > You of all people ken! > > Huh? > > > > Maybe if I gave you shell access...? > > If you want to give someone shell access so they can fix your > problems, try Chris. He's the one who has to figure out how to > make WebDNA install and run on multiple systems, not me. > > FYI I always run Ubuntu on the VPSs I get from my hosts. I never > use MacOS or Windows, and I don't even use any other Linux > versions. This keeps my life simple, and it lets me remain an > expert in my personal (yet very narrow) choice of software > packages. So I'm sorry if you think I can help you, but you're > wrong because I cannot. > > However, if you get an Ubuntu 17.04 VPS running the latest Apache > and WebDNA I might actually be able to help. > > > > It's very easy to understand the little "click" you all > > have ... > > We do not have a clique. > > Whether you accept it or not, the fact remains that this talk list > has shrunken dramatically from its heyday 15 years ago and its > character has changed a lot since then, too. > > Back then everyone was gung-ho on WebDNA and there were LOTS MORE > OF US here. Things have mellowed since then, but I get the > impression that you are not able to recognize or accept these > changes ... :( > > My personal guess is that there are fewer than 50 subscribers on > this list, and only a handful are still running their own servers. > And since there are practically no WebDNA hosts running Macs any > more, it's no wonder you're not getting answers to your questions > about your Mac servers. > > I honestly do not understand your attitude here. You're so > impatient that you ask the same off-topic questions not once but > twice -- simply because you seem to have it in your head that > someone here knows the answers but is unwilling to help you. I do > not believe this for a minute, but apparently you do, which makes > me wonder: > > Can you accept that your beliefs might be incorrect? > > Can you accept the possibility that there is no clique here, and > instead you are simply trying to demand answers from people who > are not able to help you? > > > > and I'm sure that's why the software never took off and the > > same few people here from 15 years ago! > > You seem "sure" of several things that simply are not true. > > > Regards, > Kenneth Grome > WebDNA Solutions > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Kenneth Grome > > > wrote: > > > > Brian, there's no need to ask the same questions twice. Your > > questions are somewhat unusual/specific and only tangentially > > related to WebDNA so I suspect that no one here has the answers > > you desire. > > > > It looks like you're still running your own hardware. My personal > > guess is that most of us do not deal with hardware any more. It > > was a long time ago that I found it exceptionally cost-effective, > > and basically a no-brainer, to outsource my hardware needs to > > professionals. They have the massive redundant network > > connections, the newest hardware and software, and the expertise > > to provide very reliable service -- at very reasonable prices. > > > > Regards, > > Kenneth Grome > > WebDNA Solutions > > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration > > > > > > > > On 12/19/2017 11:48 AM, Brian Harrington wrote: > > > I know this is off topic and I'm sure someone has the answer here > > > and I did some looking myself... > > > > > > macOS 10.11.6 El Capitan & Apache 2.4.18 (unix) (2009 MacPro > ungraded) > > > > > > Have (2) 1TB 850evo's on Apricorn dual getting 700/MB's (fyi same > > > 2 SSD's on my slide in slots 450/520). It holds the OS and is > > > named SSD... > > > > > > Have (4) 4TB in slots set to raid 0... named it "RAID"... > > > ================================================== > > > Below works > > > 1)? How can I reference the 'RAID' drive in .conf and host...? > > > > > > > > > Options FollowSymLinks Multiviews > > > MultiviewsMatch Any > > > AllowOverride None > > > Require all granted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ServerName auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > ServerAlias *.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > ServerAlias *.*.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > > > > ServerAlias *.*.*.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > > > > ServerAlias *.*.*.*.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > > > > DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/auto-glass-xpress.com/ > > > > > > > > Directoryindex index.tpl > > > > > > ================================================== > > > > > > 2)? old computer running Apache 2.2.24 7/2013 build > > > > > > new computer Apache 2.4.18 2/2016 build > > > > > > These below work on old computer but stops apache on new > > > computer???? > > > > > > > > > > > > ServerName images.* > > > ServerAlias en.images.* > > > DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/list.en.images/ > > > Directoryindex index.tpl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ServerName images.01.* > > > ServerAlias images.01.*.* > > > ServerAlias www.images.01.* > > > ServerAlias en.images.01.* > > > ServerAlias www.en.images.01.* > > > DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/list.en.1. > 1.users.post.mgr.IMG.01/ > > > Directoryindex index.tpl > > > > > > > > > is their a module I need to turn on or off? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------- > > > > > > Was thinking rather than bog down the SSD w/OS with images and > > > such, put them on the RAID HHD...? > > > > > > Thank you in advance.. Brian > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --f403043730c0f5b99d0560be4876 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our o= wn servers because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and the one= that does wants a fortune per domain!!!! I'm sure you know who they ar= e!=C2=A0

Also, seems like post to the list are screened = and sometimes deleted. And it seems odd the first time I see a post it alre= ady has 4 answers and or replies...?=C2=A0

And Apa= che, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any unix based machine! = Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a "little&qu= ot; help migrating over to the new server!=C2=A0

I= already rewrote the <= VirtualHost> to work on the new server... and tried unloading and loadin= g mod's and no solution there I could find.

Sendmail and postfix the only issue = now.... The new mac upgraded will NOT let me start in "recovery mode&q= uot; so I can not change the file permissions in <system><Library&= gt;<LaunchDaemons> so I put the .plist in <Library><Lau= nchDaemons> with WebDNA.plist and does not start and when started does n= ot send mail through google like older machine.

<?xml version=3D"1.0&= quot; encoding=3D"UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC &qu= ot;-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/= DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version=3D&quo= t;1.0">
<dict>
<key>Label</key>
<string>org.postfix.master</string>=
= <key>Program</key>=
<string>/usr/libe= xec/postfix/master</string>
<key>ProgramArguments</key>
=
<array>
<string>master</string><= /div>
</array>
<key>QueueDirectories</key><= /font>
<= span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"><array>
<string>/var/spool/postfix/ma= ildrop</string>
&l= t;/array>
<key>= AbandonProcessGroup</key>
= <true/>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<key>KeepAlive= </key>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<true/>
</dict= >
</plist>

the newer apache says "#####mydomain_fallback =3D localhost= " can no longer be used and the addition of "#####inet_protocols = =3D ipv4" or the only two differences I can notice.=C2=A0

I've seen others post server q= uestions here without all the "backlash".... I don't see Apac= he or Postfix and different that a JSON post... working hand-in-hand...

On= Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.c= om> wrote:
> You of all people ken!

Huh?


> Maybe if I gave you shell access...?

If you want to give someone shell access so they can fix your
problems, try Chris.=C2=A0 He's the one who has to figure out how to make WebDNA install and run on multiple systems, not me.

FYI I always run Ubuntu on the VPSs I get from my hosts.=C2=A0 I never
use MacOS or Windows, and I don't even use any other Linux
versions.=C2=A0 This keeps my life simple, and it lets me remain an
expert in my personal (yet very narrow) choice of software
packages.=C2=A0 So I'm sorry if you think I can help you, but you'r= e
wrong because I cannot.

However, if you get an Ubuntu 17.04 VPS running the latest Apache
and WebDNA I might actually be able to help.


> It's very easy to understand the little "click" you all<= br> > have ...

We do not have a clique.

Whether you accept it or not, the fact remains that this talk list
has shrunken dramatically from its heyday 15 years ago and its
character has changed a lot since then, too.

Back then everyone was gung-ho on WebDNA and there were LOTS MORE
OF US here.=C2=A0 Things have mellowed since then, but I get the
impression that you are not able to recognize or accept these
changes ... :(

My personal guess is that there are fewer than 50 subscribers on
this list, and only a handful are still running their own servers.
=C2=A0And since there are practically no WebDNA hosts running Macs any
more, it's no wonder you're not getting answers to your questions about your Mac servers.

I honestly do not understand your attitude here.=C2=A0 You're so
impatient that you ask the same off-topic questions not once but
twice -- simply because you seem to have it in your head that
someone here knows the answers but is unwilling to help you.=C2=A0 I do
not believe this for a minute, but apparently you do, which makes
me wonder:

Can you accept that your beliefs might be incorrect?

Can you accept the possibility that there is no clique here, and
instead you are simply trying to demand answers from people who
are not able to help you?


> and I'm sure that's why the software never took off and the > same few people here from 15 years ago!

You seem "sure" of several things that simply are not true= ..


Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration





> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Kenneth Grome=
> <ken@webdnasolutions.com <mailto:ken@webdnasolutions.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian, there's no need to ask the same question= s twice.=C2=A0 Your
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0questions are somewhat unusual/specific and only ta= ngentially
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0related to WebDNA so I suspect that no one here has= the answers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you desire.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It looks like you're still running your own har= dware.=C2=A0 My personal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0guess is that most of us do not deal with hardware = any more.=C2=A0 It
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0was a long time ago that I found it exceptionally c= ost-effective,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and basically a no-brainer, to outsource my hardwar= e needs to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0professionals.=C2=A0 They have the massive redundan= t network
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0connections, the newest hardware and software, and = the expertise
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to provide very reliable service -- at very reasona= ble prices.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Kenneth Grome
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0WebDNA Solutions
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.webdnasolutions.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administratio= n
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 12/19/2017 11:48 AM, Brian Harrington wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I know this is off topic and I'm sure some= one has the answer here
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and I did some looking myself...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> macOS 10.11.6 El Capitan & Apache 2.4.18 (= unix) (2009 MacPro ungraded)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Have (2) 1TB 850evo's on Apricorn dual get= ting 700/MB's (fyi same
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2 SSD's on my slide in slots 450/520). It = holds the OS and is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> named SSD...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Have (4) 4TB in slots set to raid 0... named i= t "RAID"...=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Below works=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1)? How can I reference the 'RAID' dri= ve in .conf and host...?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <Directory "/Library/WebServer/"&= gt;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Options FollowSymLinks Multiview= s
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MultiviewsMatch Any
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AllowOverride None
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Require all granted
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </Directory>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <VirtualHost=C2=A0192.168.0.2:80 <http://192.168.0.2:80>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://192.168.0.2/>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerName=C2=A0auto-glass-xpr= ess.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.auto-glass-xpres= s.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.*.= auto-glass-xpress.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.*.*.auto-glass-x= press.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.*.*.*.auto-glass= -xpress.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/<= a href=3D"http://auto-glass-xpress.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blan= k">auto-glass-xpress.com/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com/>= ;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Directoryindex index.tpl
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </VirtualHost>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2)? old computer running Apache 2.2.24 7/2013 = build
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 new computer Apache 2.4.18 2/2016 build=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 These below work on old computer but st= ops apache on new
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> computer????
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <VirtualHost=C2=A0192.168.0.2:80 <= ;htt= p://192.168.0.2:80>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://192.168.0.2/>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerName images.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias en.images.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/= list.en.images/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Directoryindex index.tpl=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </VirtualHost>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <VirtualHost=C2=A0192.168.0.2:80 <= ;htt= p://192.168.0.2:80>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://192.16= 8.0.2/>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerName images.01.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias images.01.*.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias www.images.01.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias en.images.01.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias www.en.images.01.* >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/= list.en.1.1.users.post.mgr.IMG.01/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Directoryindex index.tpl
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </VirtualHost>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is their a module I need to turn on or off? >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Was thinking rather than bog down the SSD w/OS= with images and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> such, put them on the RAID HHD...?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Thank you in advance.. Brian
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  29. [WebDNA] El Capitan with WebDNA 8.1 fastCGI (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2015)
  30. [WebDNA] El Capitan (Steve Craig 2015)
1499 --f403043730c0f5b99d0560be4876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our own servers because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and the one that does wants a fortune per domain!!!! I'm sure you know who they are! Also, seems like post to the list are screened and sometimes deleted. And it seems odd the first time I see a post it already has 4 answers and or replies...? And Apache, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any unix based machine! Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a "little" help migrating over to the new server! I already rewrote the to work on the new server... and tried unloading and loading mod's and no solution there I could find. Sendmail and postfix the only issue now.... The new mac upgraded will NOT let me start in "recovery mode" so I can not change the file permissions in so I put the .plist in with WebDNA.plist and does not start and when started does not send mail through google like older machine. Label org.postfix.master Program /usr/libexec/postfix/master ProgramArguments master QueueDirectories /var/spool/postfix/maildrop AbandonProcessGroup KeepAlive the newer apache says "#####mydomain_fallback = localhost" can no longer be used and the addition of "#####inet_protocols = ipv4" or the only two differences I can notice. I've seen others post server questions here without all the "backlash".... I don't see Apache or Postfix and different that a JSON post... working hand-in-hand... On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > > You of all people ken! > > Huh? > > > > Maybe if I gave you shell access...? > > If you want to give someone shell access so they can fix your > problems, try Chris. He's the one who has to figure out how to > make WebDNA install and run on multiple systems, not me. > > FYI I always run Ubuntu on the VPSs I get from my hosts. I never > use MacOS or Windows, and I don't even use any other Linux > versions. This keeps my life simple, and it lets me remain an > expert in my personal (yet very narrow) choice of software > packages. So I'm sorry if you think I can help you, but you're > wrong because I cannot. > > However, if you get an Ubuntu 17.04 VPS running the latest Apache > and WebDNA I might actually be able to help. > > > > It's very easy to understand the little "click" you all > > have ... > > We do not have a clique. > > Whether you accept it or not, the fact remains that this Talk List > has shrunken dramatically from its heyday 15 years ago and its > character has changed a lot since then, too. > > Back then everyone was gung-ho on WebDNA and there were LOTS MORE > OF US here. Things have mellowed since then, but I get the > impression that you are not able to recognize or accept these > changes ... :( > > My personal guess is that there are fewer than 50 subscribers on > this list, and only a handful are still running their own servers. > And since there are practically no WebDNA hosts running Macs any > more, it's no wonder you're not getting answers to your questions > about your Mac servers. > > I honestly do not understand your attitude here. You're so > impatient that you ask the same off-topic questions not once but > twice -- simply because you seem to have it in your head that > someone here knows the answers but is unwilling to help you. I do > not believe this for a minute, but apparently you do, which makes > me wonder: > > Can you accept that your beliefs might be incorrect? > > Can you accept the possibility that there is no clique here, and > instead you are simply trying to demand answers from people who > are not able to help you? > > > > and I'm sure that's why the software never took off and the > > same few people here from 15 years ago! > > You seem "sure" of several things that simply are not true. > > > Regards, > Kenneth Grome > WebDNA Solutions > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Kenneth Grome > > > wrote: > > > > Brian, there's no need to ask the same questions twice. Your > > questions are somewhat unusual/specific and only tangentially > > related to WebDNA so I suspect that no one here has the answers > > you desire. > > > > It looks like you're still running your own hardware. My personal > > guess is that most of us do not deal with hardware any more. It > > was a long time ago that I found it exceptionally cost-effective, > > and basically a no-brainer, to outsource my hardware needs to > > professionals. They have the massive redundant network > > connections, the newest hardware and software, and the expertise > > to provide very reliable service -- at very reasonable prices. > > > > Regards, > > Kenneth Grome > > WebDNA Solutions > > http://www.webdnasolutions.com > > Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration > > > > > > > > On 12/19/2017 11:48 AM, Brian Harrington wrote: > > > I know this is off topic and I'm sure someone has the answer here > > > and I did some looking myself... > > > > > > macOS 10.11.6 El Capitan & Apache 2.4.18 (unix) (2009 MacPro > ungraded) > > > > > > Have (2) 1TB 850evo's on Apricorn dual getting 700/MB's (fyi same > > > 2 SSD's on my slide in slots 450/520). It holds the OS and is > > > named SSD... > > > > > > Have (4) 4TB in slots set to raid 0... named it "RAID"... > > > ================================================== > > > Below works > > > 1)? How can I reference the 'RAID' drive in .conf and host...? > > > > > > > > > Options FollowSymLinks Multiviews > > > MultiviewsMatch Any > > > AllowOverride None > > > Require all granted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ServerName auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > ServerAlias *.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > ServerAlias *.*.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > > > > ServerAlias *.*.*.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > > > > ServerAlias *.*.*.*.auto-glass-xpress.com > > > > > > > > DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/auto-glass-xpress.com/ > > > > > > > > Directoryindex index.tpl > > > > > > ================================================== > > > > > > 2)? old computer running Apache 2.2.24 7/2013 build > > > > > > new computer Apache 2.4.18 2/2016 build > > > > > > These below work on old computer but stops apache on new > > > computer???? > > > > > > > > > > > > ServerName images.* > > > ServerAlias en.images.* > > > DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/list.en.images/ > > > Directoryindex index.tpl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ServerName images.01.* > > > ServerAlias images.01.*.* > > > ServerAlias www.images.01.* > > > ServerAlias en.images.01.* > > > ServerAlias www.en.images.01.* > > > DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/list.en.1. > 1.users.post.mgr.IMG.01/ > > > Directoryindex index.tpl > > > > > > > > > is their a module I need to turn on or off? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------- > > > > > > Was thinking rather than bog down the SSD w/OS with images and > > > such, put them on the RAID HHD...? > > > > > > Thank you in advance.. Brian > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list talk@webdna.us > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us > archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=55 > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us > --f403043730c0f5b99d0560be4876 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I tend to disagree... most all us running webdna use our o= wn servers because most hosting companies NEVER heard of webdna and the one= that does wants a fortune per domain!!!! I'm sure you know who they ar= e!=C2=A0

Also, seems like post to the list are screened = and sometimes deleted. And it seems odd the first time I see a post it alre= ady has 4 answers and or replies...?=C2=A0

And Apa= che, Postfix and WebDNA is pretty much the same on any unix based machine! = Chris seemed willing to help Lawrence and was looking for a "little&qu= ot; help migrating over to the new server!=C2=A0

I= already rewrote the <= VirtualHost> to work on the new server... and tried unloading and loadin= g mod's and no solution there I could find.

Sendmail and postfix the only issue = now.... The new mac upgraded will NOT let me start in "recovery mode&q= uot; so I can not change the file permissions in <system><Library&= gt;<LaunchDaemons> so I put the .plist in <Library><Lau= nchDaemons> with WebDNA.plist and does not start and when started does n= ot send mail through google like older machine.

<?xml version=3D"1.0&= quot; encoding=3D"UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC &qu= ot;-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/= DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version=3D&quo= t;1.0">
<dict>
<key>Label</key>
<string>org.postfix.master</string>=
= <key>Program</key>=
<string>/usr/libe= xec/postfix/master</string>
<key>ProgramArguments</key>
=
<array>
<string>master</string><= /div>
</array>
<key>QueueDirectories</key><= /font>
<= span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"><array>
<string>/var/spool/postfix/ma= ildrop</string>
&l= t;/array>
<key>= AbandonProcessGroup</key>
= <true/>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<key>KeepAlive= </key>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<true/>
</dict= >
</plist>

the newer apache says "#####mydomain_fallback =3D localhost= " can no longer be used and the addition of "#####inet_protocols = =3D ipv4" or the only two differences I can notice.=C2=A0

I've seen others post server q= uestions here without all the "backlash".... I don't see Apac= he or Postfix and different that a JSON post... working hand-in-hand...

On= Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Kenneth Grome <ken@webdnasolutions.c= om> wrote:
> You of all people ken!

Huh?


> Maybe if I gave you shell access...?

If you want to give someone shell access so they can fix your
problems, try Chris.=C2=A0 He's the one who has to figure out how to make WebDNA install and run on multiple systems, not me.

FYI I always run Ubuntu on the VPSs I get from my hosts.=C2=A0 I never
use MacOS or Windows, and I don't even use any other Linux
versions.=C2=A0 This keeps my life simple, and it lets me remain an
expert in my personal (yet very narrow) choice of software
packages.=C2=A0 So I'm sorry if you think I can help you, but you'r= e
wrong because I cannot.

However, if you get an Ubuntu 17.04 VPS running the latest Apache
and WebDNA I might actually be able to help.


> It's very easy to understand the little "click" you all<= br> > have ...

We do not have a clique.

Whether you accept it or not, the fact remains that this Talk List
has shrunken dramatically from its heyday 15 years ago and its
character has changed a lot since then, too.

Back then everyone was gung-ho on WebDNA and there were LOTS MORE
OF US here.=C2=A0 Things have mellowed since then, but I get the
impression that you are not able to recognize or accept these
changes ... :(

My personal guess is that there are fewer than 50 subscribers on
this list, and only a handful are still running their own servers.
=C2=A0And since there are practically no WebDNA hosts running Macs any
more, it's no wonder you're not getting answers to your questions about your Mac servers.

I honestly do not understand your attitude here.=C2=A0 You're so
impatient that you ask the same off-topic questions not once but
twice -- simply because you seem to have it in your head that
someone here knows the answers but is unwilling to help you.=C2=A0 I do
not believe this for a minute, but apparently you do, which makes
me wonder:

Can you accept that your beliefs might be incorrect?

Can you accept the possibility that there is no clique here, and
instead you are simply trying to demand answers from people who
are not able to help you?


> and I'm sure that's why the software never took off and the > same few people here from 15 years ago!

You seem "sure" of several things that simply are not true= ..


Regards,
Kenneth Grome
WebDNA Solutions
http://www.webdnasolutions.com
Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administration





> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Kenneth Grome=
> <ken@webdnasolutions.com <mailto:ken@webdnasolutions.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian, there's no need to ask the same question= s twice.=C2=A0 Your
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0questions are somewhat unusual/specific and only ta= ngentially
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0related to WebDNA so I suspect that no one here has= the answers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you desire.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It looks like you're still running your own har= dware.=C2=A0 My personal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0guess is that most of us do not deal with hardware = any more.=C2=A0 It
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0was a long time ago that I found it exceptionally c= ost-effective,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and basically a no-brainer, to outsource my hardwar= e needs to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0professionals.=C2=A0 They have the massive redundan= t network
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0connections, the newest hardware and software, and = the expertise
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to provide very reliable service -- at very reasona= ble prices.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Kenneth Grome
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0WebDNA Solutions
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.webdnasolutions.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Web Database Systems and Linux Server Administratio= n
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 12/19/2017 11:48 AM, Brian Harrington wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I know this is off topic and I'm sure some= one has the answer here
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> and I did some looking myself...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> macOS 10.11.6 El Capitan & Apache 2.4.18 (= unix) (2009 MacPro ungraded)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Have (2) 1TB 850evo's on Apricorn dual get= ting 700/MB's (fyi same
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2 SSD's on my slide in slots 450/520). It = holds the OS and is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> named SSD...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Have (4) 4TB in slots set to raid 0... named i= t "RAID"...=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Below works=C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1)? How can I reference the 'RAID' dri= ve in .conf and host...?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <Directory "/Library/WebServer/"&= gt;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Options FollowSymLinks Multiview= s
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MultiviewsMatch Any
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AllowOverride None
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Require all granted
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </Directory>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <VirtualHost=C2=A0192.168.0.2:80 <http://192.168.0.2:80>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://192.168.0.2/>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerName=C2=A0auto-glass-xpr= ess.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.auto-glass-xpres= s.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.*.= auto-glass-xpress.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.*.*.auto-glass-x= press.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0ServerAlias *.*.*.*.auto-glass= -xpress.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/<= a href=3D"http://auto-glass-xpress.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blan= k">auto-glass-xpress.com/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://auto-glass-xpress.com/>= ;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <http://auto-glass-xpress.com/= >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Directoryindex index.tpl
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </VirtualHost>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2)? old computer running Apache 2.2.24 7/2013 = build
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 new computer Apache 2.4.18 2/2016 build=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 These below work on old computer but st= ops apache on new
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> computer????
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <VirtualHost=C2=A0192.168.0.2:80 <= ;htt= p://192.168.0.2:80>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://192.168.0.2/>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerName images.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias en.images.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/= list.en.images/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Directoryindex index.tpl=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </VirtualHost>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <VirtualHost=C2=A0192.168.0.2:80 <= ;htt= p://192.168.0.2:80>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://192.16= 8.0.2/>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerName images.01.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias images.01.*.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias www.images.01.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias en.images.01.*
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ServerAlias www.en.images.01.* >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/= list.en.1.1.users.post.mgr.IMG.01/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Directoryindex index.tpl
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> </VirtualHost>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is their a module I need to turn on or off? >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Was thinking rather than bog down the SSD w/OS= with images and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> such, put them on the RAID HHD...?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Thank you in advance.. Brian
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