Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work -

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2018


It keeps the original formatting.
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texte = 1704 --Apple-Mail=_1C4A7B3D-D147-4C02-8008-20540A241538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Everything you mention sound logical. I have now removed the server.app = but the /Library/Server/ remains. Would it be wise to manually remove = the entire Server directory as I will not be using Server.app on this = device again? Any experience with that. /Palle > On 18 Mar 2018, at 06.55, Michael Davis wrote: >=20 > What looks like a problem to me is the mix of OS X client and OS X = Server. Stock OS X client installs Apache so that /Library/WebServer is = the base directory. The Server.app moves everything into = /Library/Server. The presence of /Library/Server indicates you have run = the Server.app on this server at some point, and have not removed it. = You'll need to drag the Server.app into the trash and pay attention to = the dialog that will pop up and confirm you want to remove server from = the system. This will reset the system back to stock OS X. Then make = sure you're not installing WebDNA "server" version. >=20 >> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:36 AM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>=20 >> So I removed all things WebDNA and did a clean install of WebDNA = Server, now my result is=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> /Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/ >> /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/ >>=20 >> Everything else is gone. Although I notice that you directory paths = are different. >>=20 >> When I load y IP/192.168.1.144 in my browser it load and index.dna = file but does not parse the WebDNA and the funny stuff is that it=E2=80=99= s an index.dna located at another directory = ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) and not relevant to = the above directories. When I load it as (=E2=80=9C192.168.1.144/index.dna= =E2=80=9D) it works, but still from a directory I did not expect being = ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) although my Apache = conf file states=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents" >> >>=20 >> and not the (=E2=80=9CLibrary/Server/Web=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D) which I = just reinstalled. >>=20 >> Does it make sense or am I confusing myself in a was I have not = discovered yes ;) >>=20 >> /Palle >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 10.56, Palle Bo Nielsen > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Michael >>>=20 >>> Maybe this can identify the problem=E2=80=A6 Let me walk through = where how my directories has been laid out by the installations. >>>=20 >>> /Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine) >>> /Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/ >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/index.dna >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.com =  Not = established yet... >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.com =  Not = established yet... >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.com =  Not = established yet... >>>=20 >>> So already there we ara talking a different directory setup and in = this case I have not moved anything around. >>>=20 >>> /Palle >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 21.07, Michael Davis > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Palle, >>>>=20 >>>> One suggestion might be to leave the WebCatalog directory at = /Library/WebServer/Documents/=20 >>>> That way any time you want to access the global WebCatalog = preferences, you can do so outside of the virtual hosts you set up, for = instance by IP address. >>>>=20 >>>> If it were me, I would leave things where they were installed and = have a directory structure like this: >>>>=20 >>>> /Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine >>>> /Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog <- for accessing WebCat = preferences/settings. >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts <- make a = directory for your virtual hosts (optional/organizational) >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.com = >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.com = >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.com = >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Leave the DocumentRoot alone. It's fine at the default. >>>>=20 >>>> Then use WebMin's Apache2 module to create your virtual sites. >>>>=20 >>>> One question I have is why do you have a WebCatalog and a WebDNA = directory? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Okay, then please explain how I can access the WebDNA folder with = all its configurations which is located at the other locations = (directories) other than the =E2=80=9CLibrary/WebServer/Documents=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=A6. >>>>>=20 >>>>> /Palle >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 20.00, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> stop changing the directories!!! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> all u need is /Library/WebServer >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> NO data, web, sites=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>> just use /Library/WebServer >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>> Okay, so you convinced me to take the native Apache route within = macOS High Sierra. So I installed a fresh copy of WebDNA Server (most = recent version) and I figured our that the default Apache install wa = based on port 8080 which was why it dit not work initially. Anyhow i get = WebDNA to work when assigning a .dna but I need some guidance on the = following=E2=80=A6 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So Apache is per default installed here=E2=80=A6: >>>>>> /etc/apache2/ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> WebDNA Server is installed here=E2=80=A6: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> /Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/ >>>>>> and >>>>>> /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/ >>>>>> /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebDNA/ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So when looking into Apache httpd.conf >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents" >>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I need to direct it to where my Site and WebDNA root is located. = Should the above point to the =E2=80=9CLibrary/Sever=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D = directory or should I keep the =E2=80=9C/Library/WebServer=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D= .. I case off the latter then how can I open the Web Admin interface in = my webbrowser as it is located elsewhere? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> /Palle >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 03.38, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> u need to remember... everything is in there that u need but = apple is fighting you to get this running as they see it as a security = risk to their OS and reputation! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I've seen Apple have the wrong allow/deny and their are other = variations sometimes.... apachectl configtest will tell you if they are = wrong but u will need to figure out what is correct! >>>>>>> It's not easy running your own mac web server!!!=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews >>>>>>> AllowOverride None >>>>>>> Order allow,deny >>>>>>> Allow from all >>>>>>> >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>> the sever (apache) may not start or stay running if u have = syntax errors!!! use "apachectl configtest" >>>>>>> plug away at the errors... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>> Terminal window.... u need to see "Syntax OK" >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> apachectl configtest >>>>>>> Last login: Wed Mar 14 06:06:49 on console >>>>>>> You have mail. >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ apachectl configtest >>>>>>> httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified = domain name, using Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro.local for ServerName >>>>>>> Syntax OK >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ apachectl start >>>>>>> This operation requires root. >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ Sudo su - >>>>>>> Password: >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root# apachectl start >>>>>>> org.apache.httpd: Already loaded >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root#=20 >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:05 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>> terminal window app is inside applications/Utiliteis >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> first type: Sudo su - >>>>>>> enter pasword... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> then type: apachectl start >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> apachectl restart >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> apachectl stop >>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>> type this... apachectl configtest >>>>>>> it will help you locate problems!!! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Stuart Tremain = > wrote: >>>>>>> Palle >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Don=E2=80=99t be afraid of the CLI. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Restart Apache is so very easy >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Open terminal and then type the following: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> To start httpd: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl start >>>>>>> To stop httpd: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl stop >>>>>>> To restart httpd: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl restart >>>>>>> If you leave terminal open, all you have to do is hit the up = arrow key and the last command you typed into terminal will appear = again, just hit enter to execute it again. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>>> Pharoah Lane Software >>>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 05:23, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I hear you loud and clear and I will try it out as well. But I = need some easy (UI) way to start/stop the Apache which is not CLI >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> /Palle >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2018, at 03.19, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> also... u DON'T need MAMP!!! >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> apache is right there to edit manually!!! shift command g >>>>>>>>> folder /private >>>>>>>>> then open etc folder or go directly to it /etc >>>>>>>>> inside etc is apache2 folder... >>>>>>>>> GUI's from my exp don't work on mac regardless what THEY tell = you!!! >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:09 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> if u gonna run SSL"s... I create index on file index.tpl and = create files index.htm & index.html and put [include file=3Dindex.tpl] = as u will not b able to use the same file name in vhost an sslhost.... >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:02 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> why r u moving things around and why r u using index.dna makes = no sense to me... u r just creating problems! >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> u need to set .dna in webdna .config and prefs >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> ValidTemplateExtensions.html .htm .tpl .dna .txt >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> AddHandler webcatalog2-handler .html .htm .tpl .dna .txt >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> apache... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.tpl >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> note i don't use .dna LOL so not in apache but u will need to = add it.... >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> This is a new thread with a mission to get WebDNA to work with = MAMP Pro. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Prerequisites=E2=80=A6: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> - MacOS High Sierra 10.13.3 (not running "Apple Server App=E2=80= =9D) >>>>>>>>> - WebDNA Server 8.5.1 >>>>>>>>> - MAMP Pro 4.4.1 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> DIRECTORIES >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o MAMP Location: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/ >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o Site Root: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/ >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o WebDNA: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebCatalog >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebDNA >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o Apache: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/ >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> APACHE CONFIGURATION >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Added the following=E2=80=A6 >>>>>>>>> Include = /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Within the webdna.conf file which is located here, i... >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=A6I modified the path to the WebDNA module >>>>>>>>> LoadModule webcatalog2_module = /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/mod_WebDNA_apache2.4.so = >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Within this directory I create an index.dna file to test if = WebDNA parses >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/index.dna >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> When trying to load the following on my local network it = fails. Actually it downloads the index.dna file in stead of parsing it. >>>>>>>>> 192.168.1.144/index.dna >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Doing the same with a normal index.html with no WebDNA = expectations (just a plain html) it loads just fine. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I am missing something. Any clue out there. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> /Palle >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>> the mailing list talk@webdna.us >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us = >>>>>>>>> archives: http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = >>>>>>>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >>> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us >> --------------------------------------------------------- This = message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: = talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 = Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us > --------------------------------------------------------- This message = is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list = talk@webdna.us To unsubscribe, E-mail to: talk-leave@webdna.us archives: = http://www.webdna.us/page.dna?numero=3D55 Bug Reporting: = support@webdna.us --Apple-Mail=_1C4A7B3D-D147-4C02-8008-20540A241538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Everything you mention sound logical. I have now removed the = server.app but the /Library/Server/ remains. Would it be wise to = manually remove the entire Server directory as I will not be using = Server.app on this device again? Any experience with that.

/Palle



On 18 = Mar 2018, at 06.55, Michael Davis <admin@network13.net>= wrote:

What looks like a = problem to me is the mix of OS X client and OS X Server.  Stock OS = X client installs Apache so that /Library/WebServer is the base = directory.  The Server.app moves everything into /Library/Server. =  The presence of /Library/Server indicates you have run the = Server.app on this server at some point, and have not removed it. =  You'll need to drag the Server.app into the trash and pay = attention to the dialog that will pop up and confirm you want to remove = server from the system.  This will reset the system back to stock = OS X.  Then make sure you're not installing WebDNA "server" = version.

On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:36 AM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

So I removed all = things WebDNA and did a clean install of WebDNA Server, now my result = is=E2=80=A6

/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/
/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/

Everything else is gone. = Although I notice that you directory paths are different.

When I load y = IP/192.168.1.144 in my browser it load and index.dna file but does not = parse the WebDNA and the funny stuff is that it=E2=80=99s an index.dna = located at another directory ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) and not = relevant to the above directories. When I load it as = (=E2=80=9C192.168.1.144/index.dna=E2=80=9D) it works, but = still from a directory I did not expect = being ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) although my = Apache conf file states=E2=80=A6

DocumentRoot = "/Library/WebServer/Documents"
<Directory = "/Library/WebServer/Documents">

and not the = (=E2=80=9CLibrary/Server/Web=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D) which I just = reinstalled.

Does it make sense or am I confusing myself in a was I have = not discovered yes ;)

/Palle









On 17 Mar 2018, at 10.56, Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Hi = Michael

Maybe = this can identify the problem=E2=80=A6 Let me walk through where how my = directories has been laid out by the installations.

/Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine)
/Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/
/Library/WebServer/hosts= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/index.dna
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.comNot established yet...
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.comNot established yet...
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.comNot established = yet...

So already there we ara talking a different directory setup = and in this case I have not moved anything around.

/Palle



On 16 = Mar 2018, at 21.07, Michael Davis <admin@network13.net>= wrote:

Palle,

One suggestion might be = to leave the WebCatalog directory at = /Library/WebServer/Documents/ 
That way any = time you want to access the global WebCatalog preferences, you can do so = outside of the virtual hosts you set up, for instance by IP = address.

If it = were me, I would leave things where they were installed and have a = directory structure like this:

/Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine
/Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog    <- = for accessing WebCat preferences/settings.
/Library/WebServer/hosts           =                     =    <- make a directory for your virtual hosts = (optional/organizational)
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.com
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.com
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.com


Leave the DocumentRoot alone.  It's fine at the = default.

Then = use WebMin's Apache2 module to create your virtual sites.

One question I have is = why do you have a WebCatalog and a WebDNA directory?


On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:03 PM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Okay, = then please explain how I can access the WebDNA folder with all its = configurations which is located at the other locations (directories) = other than the =E2=80=9CLibrary/WebServer/Documents=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6.

/Palle



On 16 = Mar 2018, at 20.00, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

stop changing the directories!!!

all u need is /Library/WebServer

NO data, web, = sites 

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:57 PM, = Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
just use /Library/WebServer



On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:34 PM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:
Okay, so you convinced me to take the native Apache route = within macOS High Sierra. So I installed a fresh copy of WebDNA Server = (most recent version) and I figured our that the default Apache install = wa based on port 8080 which was why it dit not work initially. Anyhow i = get WebDNA to work when assigning a .dna but I need some guidance on the = following=E2=80=A6

So = Apache is per default installed here=E2=80=A6:
/etc/apache2/

WebDNA Server is installed here=E2=80=A6:

/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/
and
/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/
/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebDNA/

So when looking into Apache httpd.conf

DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents"
<Directory "/Library/WebServer/Documents">

I need to direct it to where my Site and WebDNA root is = located. Should the above point to the =E2=80=9CLibrary/Sever=E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D directory or should I keep the =E2=80=9C/Library/WebServer=E2=80=A6=E2= =80=9D. I case off the latter then how can I open the Web Admin = interface in my webbrowser as it is located elsewhere?

/Palle








On 16 Mar 2018, at 03.38, Brian = Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

u need to remember... = everything is in there that u need but apple is fighting you to get this = running as they see it as a security risk to their OS and = reputation!

I've = seen Apple have the wrong allow/deny and their are other variations = sometimes.... apachectl = configtest will tell you if they are wrong but u will need to figure out = what is correct!
It's not easy running your own mac = web server!!! 
 
<Directory = "/Library/WebServer">
    Options = Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
    = AllowOverride None
    Order = allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

On Fri, = Mar 16, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
the sever (apache) may not start or stay running if u have = syntax errors!!! use "apachectl configtest"
plug away at the = errors...


On Fri, = Mar 16, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
Terminal window.... u need to see "Syntax = OK"
-----------------------------------------------------------
apachectl = configtest
Last login: Wed Mar 14 06:06:49 on = console
You have mail.
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ apachectl = configtest
httpd: Could not reliably determine the = server's fully qualified domain name, using = Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro.local for ServerName
Syntax OK
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ = bharrington$ apachectl start
This operation = requires root.
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ = bharrington$ Sudo su -
Password:
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root# apachectl start
org.apache.httpd: Already loaded
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root# 
-----------------------------------------------------------

On = Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:05 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
terminal window app is inside applications/Utiliteis

first type: Sudo su = -
enter pasword...

then type: apachectl = start
or
apachectl restart

apachectl stop
---------------------
type = this... apachectl configtest
it will help you = locate problems!!!

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Stuart Tremain = <webdna@idfk.com.au> wrote:
Palle

Don=E2=80=99t be afraid of the CLI.

Restart Apache is so very = easy

Open = terminal and then type the following:

To start httpd:

sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl =start

To stop httpd:

sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl stop

To restart httpd:

sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl =restart
If you leave terminal open, all you = have to do is hit the up arrow key and the last command you typed into = terminal will appear again, just hit enter to execute it = again.





Kind regards

Stuart = Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au






On 16 Mar 2018, at 05:23, Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

I hear you loud and clear and I will try it = out as well. But I need some easy (UI) way to start/stop the Apache = which is not CLI

/Palle



On 15 Mar 2018, at 03.19, Brian Harrington = <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

also... u = DON'T need MAMP!!!

apache is right there to edit = manually!!!  shift command g
folder /private
then open etc = folder or go directly to it /etc
inside etc = is apache2 folder...
GUI's from my exp don't work = on mac regardless what THEY tell you!!!


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:09 AM, = Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
if u gonna run SSL"s... I create index on file index.tpl and = create files index.htm & index.html and put [include file=3Dindex.tpl]= as u will not b able to use the same file name in vhost an = sslhost....

On Thu, = Mar 15, 2018 at 2:02 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
why r u moving things around and why r u using index.dna = makes no sense to me... u r just creating problems!

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Brian Harrington = <autoglasswny@gmail.com> = wrote:
u need to set .dna in webdna .config and prefs

ValidTemplateExtensions.html .htm .tpl .dna .txt

AddHandler webcatalog2-handler .html .htm .tpl .dna .txt

apache...
<IfModule = dir_module>
    DirectoryIndex = index.html index.htm index.tpl
</IfModule>

note i don't use .dna LOL so not in = apache but u will need to add it....

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:07 PM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:
Hi all

This is a new thread with a mission to get WebDNA to work with MAMP = Pro.

Prerequisites=E2=80=A6:

- MacOS High Sierra 10.13.3 (not running "Apple Server App=E2=80=9D)
- WebDNA Server 8.5.1
- MAMP Pro 4.4.1


DIRECTORIES
=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

o MAMP Location:
/Applications/MAMP/

o Site Root:
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/

o WebDNA:
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebCatalog
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebDNA
/Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine
=
o Apache:
/Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/


APACHE CONFIGURATION
=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

/Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf

Added the following=E2=80=A6
Include /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf

Within the webdna.conf file which is located here, i...
/Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf
=E2=80=A6I modified the path to the WebDNA module
LoadModule webcatalog2_module  =  /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/mod_WebDNA_apache2.4.so

Within this directory I create an index.dna file to test if WebDNA = parses
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/index.dna

When trying to load the following on my local network it fails. Actually = it downloads the index.dna file in stead of parsing it.
192.168.1.144/index.dna

Doing the same with a normal index.html with no WebDNA expectations = (just a plain html) it loads just fine.


I am missing something. Any clue out there.

/Palle


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  1. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Paul Willis 2018)
  2. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Paul Willis 2018)
  3. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  4. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  5. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  6. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  7. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Paul Willis 2018)
  8. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Brian Harrington 2018)
  9. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  10. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Brian Harrington 2018)
  11. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  12. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Paul Willis 2018)
  13. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  14. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  15. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  16. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - assistance needed (christophe.billiottet@webdna.us 2018)
  17. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  18. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Michael Davis 2018)
  19. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  20. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  21. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  22. [BULK] Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - assistance needed (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  23. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Michael Davis 2018)
  24. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  25. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Brian Harrington 2018)
  26. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Brian Harrington 2018)
  27. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  28. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Brian Harrington 2018)
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  30. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Brian Harrington 2018)
  31. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Brian Harrington 2018)
  32. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Stuart Tremain 2018)
  33. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Palle Bo Nielsen 2018)
  34. Re: [WebDNA] An actual attempt to get WebDNA and MAMP Pro to work - (Michael Davis 2018)
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1704 --Apple-Mail=_1C4A7B3D-D147-4C02-8008-20540A241538 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Everything you mention sound logical. I have now removed the server.app = but the /Library/Server/ remains. Would it be wise to manually remove = the entire Server directory as I will not be using Server.app on this = device again? Any experience with that. /Palle > On 18 Mar 2018, at 06.55, Michael Davis wrote: >=20 > What looks like a problem to me is the mix of OS X client and OS X = Server. Stock OS X client installs Apache so that /Library/WebServer is = the base directory. The Server.app moves everything into = /Library/Server. The presence of /Library/Server indicates you have run = the Server.app on this server at some point, and have not removed it. = You'll need to drag the Server.app into the trash and pay attention to = the dialog that will pop up and confirm you want to remove server from = the system. This will reset the system back to stock OS X. Then make = sure you're not installing WebDNA "server" version. >=20 >> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:36 AM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>=20 >> So I removed all things WebDNA and did a clean install of WebDNA = Server, now my result is=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> /Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/ >> /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/ >>=20 >> Everything else is gone. Although I notice that you directory paths = are different. >>=20 >> When I load y IP/192.168.1.144 in my browser it load and index.dna = file but does not parse the WebDNA and the funny stuff is that it=E2=80=99= s an index.dna located at another directory = ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) and not relevant to = the above directories. When I load it as (=E2=80=9C192.168.1.144/index.dna= =E2=80=9D) it works, but still from a directory I did not expect being = ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) although my Apache = conf file states=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents" >> >>=20 >> and not the (=E2=80=9CLibrary/Server/Web=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D) which I = just reinstalled. >>=20 >> Does it make sense or am I confusing myself in a was I have not = discovered yes ;) >>=20 >> /Palle >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 17 Mar 2018, at 10.56, Palle Bo Nielsen > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Michael >>>=20 >>> Maybe this can identify the problem=E2=80=A6 Let me walk through = where how my directories has been laid out by the installations. >>>=20 >>> /Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine) >>> /Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/ >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/index.dna >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.com =  Not = established yet... >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.com =  Not = established yet... >>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.com =  Not = established yet... >>>=20 >>> So already there we ara talking a different directory setup and in = this case I have not moved anything around. >>>=20 >>> /Palle >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 21.07, Michael Davis > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Palle, >>>>=20 >>>> One suggestion might be to leave the WebCatalog directory at = /Library/WebServer/Documents/=20 >>>> That way any time you want to access the global WebCatalog = preferences, you can do so outside of the virtual hosts you set up, for = instance by IP address. >>>>=20 >>>> If it were me, I would leave things where they were installed and = have a directory structure like this: >>>>=20 >>>> /Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine >>>> /Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog <- for accessing WebCat = preferences/settings. >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts <- make a = directory for your virtual hosts (optional/organizational) >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.com = >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.com = >>>> /Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.com = >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Leave the DocumentRoot alone. It's fine at the default. >>>>=20 >>>> Then use WebMin's Apache2 module to create your virtual sites. >>>>=20 >>>> One question I have is why do you have a WebCatalog and a WebDNA = directory? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Okay, then please explain how I can access the WebDNA folder with = all its configurations which is located at the other locations = (directories) other than the =E2=80=9CLibrary/WebServer/Documents=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=A6. >>>>>=20 >>>>> /Palle >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 20.00, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> stop changing the directories!!! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> all u need is /Library/WebServer >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> NO data, web, sites=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>> just use /Library/WebServer >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>> Okay, so you convinced me to take the native Apache route within = macOS High Sierra. So I installed a fresh copy of WebDNA Server (most = recent version) and I figured our that the default Apache install wa = based on port 8080 which was why it dit not work initially. Anyhow i get = WebDNA to work when assigning a .dna but I need some guidance on the = following=E2=80=A6 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So Apache is per default installed here=E2=80=A6: >>>>>> /etc/apache2/ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> WebDNA Server is installed here=E2=80=A6: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> /Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/ >>>>>> and >>>>>> /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/ >>>>>> /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebDNA/ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So when looking into Apache httpd.conf >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents" >>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I need to direct it to where my Site and WebDNA root is located. = Should the above point to the =E2=80=9CLibrary/Sever=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D = directory or should I keep the =E2=80=9C/Library/WebServer=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D= .. I case off the latter then how can I open the Web Admin interface in = my webbrowser as it is located elsewhere? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> /Palle >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 03.38, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> u need to remember... everything is in there that u need but = apple is fighting you to get this running as they see it as a security = risk to their OS and reputation! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I've seen Apple have the wrong allow/deny and their are other = variations sometimes.... apachectl configtest will tell you if they are = wrong but u will need to figure out what is correct! >>>>>>> It's not easy running your own mac web server!!!=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews >>>>>>> AllowOverride None >>>>>>> Order allow,deny >>>>>>> Allow from all >>>>>>> >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>> the sever (apache) may not start or stay running if u have = syntax errors!!! use "apachectl configtest" >>>>>>> plug away at the errors... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>> Terminal window.... u need to see "Syntax OK" >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> apachectl configtest >>>>>>> Last login: Wed Mar 14 06:06:49 on console >>>>>>> You have mail. >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ apachectl configtest >>>>>>> httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified = domain name, using Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro.local for ServerName >>>>>>> Syntax OK >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ apachectl start >>>>>>> This operation requires root. >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ Sudo su - >>>>>>> Password: >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root# apachectl start >>>>>>> org.apache.httpd: Already loaded >>>>>>> Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root#=20 >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:05 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>> terminal window app is inside applications/Utiliteis >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> first type: Sudo su - >>>>>>> enter pasword... >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> then type: apachectl start >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> apachectl restart >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> apachectl stop >>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>> type this... apachectl configtest >>>>>>> it will help you locate problems!!! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Stuart Tremain = > wrote: >>>>>>> Palle >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Don=E2=80=99t be afraid of the CLI. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Restart Apache is so very easy >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Open terminal and then type the following: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> To start httpd: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl start >>>>>>> To stop httpd: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl stop >>>>>>> To restart httpd: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl restart >>>>>>> If you leave terminal open, all you have to do is hit the up = arrow key and the last command you typed into terminal will appear = again, just hit enter to execute it again. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>>> Pharoah Lane Software >>>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On 16 Mar 2018, at 05:23, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I hear you loud and clear and I will try it out as well. But I = need some easy (UI) way to start/stop the Apache which is not CLI >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> /Palle >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2018, at 03.19, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> also... u DON'T need MAMP!!! >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> apache is right there to edit manually!!! shift command g >>>>>>>>> folder /private >>>>>>>>> then open etc folder or go directly to it /etc >>>>>>>>> inside etc is apache2 folder... >>>>>>>>> GUI's from my exp don't work on mac regardless what THEY tell = you!!! >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:09 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> if u gonna run SSL"s... I create index on file index.tpl and = create files index.htm & index.html and put [include file=3Dindex.tpl] = as u will not b able to use the same file name in vhost an sslhost.... >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:02 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> why r u moving things around and why r u using index.dna makes = no sense to me... u r just creating problems! >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Brian Harrington = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> u need to set .dna in webdna .config and prefs >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> ValidTemplateExtensions.html .htm .tpl .dna .txt >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> AddHandler webcatalog2-handler .html .htm .tpl .dna .txt >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> apache... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.tpl >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> note i don't use .dna LOL so not in apache but u will need to = add it.... >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Palle Bo Nielsen = > wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> This is a new thread with a mission to get WebDNA to work with = MAMP Pro. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Prerequisites=E2=80=A6: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> - MacOS High Sierra 10.13.3 (not running "Apple Server App=E2=80= =9D) >>>>>>>>> - WebDNA Server 8.5.1 >>>>>>>>> - MAMP Pro 4.4.1 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> DIRECTORIES >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o MAMP Location: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/ >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o Site Root: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/ >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o WebDNA: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebCatalog >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebDNA >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> o Apache: >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/ >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> APACHE CONFIGURATION >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Added the following=E2=80=A6 >>>>>>>>> Include = /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Within the webdna.conf file which is located here, i... >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> =E2=80=A6I modified the path to the WebDNA module >>>>>>>>> LoadModule webcatalog2_module = /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/mod_WebDNA_apache2.4.so = >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Within this directory I create an index.dna file to test if = WebDNA parses >>>>>>>>> /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/index.dna >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> When trying to load the following on my local network it = fails. Actually it downloads the index.dna file in stead of parsing it. >>>>>>>>> 192.168.1.144/index.dna >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Doing the same with a normal index.html with no WebDNA = expectations (just a plain html) it loads just fine. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I am missing something. 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Everything you mention sound logical. I have now removed the = server.app but the /Library/Server/ remains. Would it be wise to = manually remove the entire Server directory as I will not be using = Server.app on this device again? Any experience with that.

/Palle



On 18 = Mar 2018, at 06.55, Michael Davis <admin@network13.net>= wrote:

What looks like a = problem to me is the mix of OS X client and OS X Server.  Stock OS = X client installs Apache so that /Library/WebServer is the base = directory.  The Server.app moves everything into /Library/Server. =  The presence of /Library/Server indicates you have run the = Server.app on this server at some point, and have not removed it. =  You'll need to drag the Server.app into the trash and pay = attention to the dialog that will pop up and confirm you want to remove = server from the system.  This will reset the system back to stock = OS X.  Then make sure you're not installing WebDNA "server" = version.

On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:36 AM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

So I removed all = things WebDNA and did a clean install of WebDNA Server, now my result = is=E2=80=A6

/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine/
/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/

Everything else is gone. = Although I notice that you directory paths are different.

When I load y = IP/192.168.1.144 in my browser it load and index.dna file but does not = parse the WebDNA and the funny stuff is that it=E2=80=99s an index.dna = located at another directory ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) and not = relevant to the above directories. When I load it as = (=E2=80=9C192.168.1.144/index.dna=E2=80=9D) it works, but = still from a directory I did not expect = being ("/Library/WebServer/Documents/index.dna=E2=80=9D) although my = Apache conf file states=E2=80=A6

DocumentRoot = "/Library/WebServer/Documents"
<Directory = "/Library/WebServer/Documents">

and not the = (=E2=80=9CLibrary/Server/Web=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D) which I just = reinstalled.

Does it make sense or am I confusing myself in a was I have = not discovered yes ;)

/Palle









On 17 Mar 2018, at 10.56, Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Hi = Michael

Maybe = this can identify the problem=E2=80=A6 Let me walk through where how my = directories has been laid out by the installations.

/Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine)
/Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/
/Library/WebServer/hosts= (/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/index.dna
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.comNot established yet...
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.comNot established yet...
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.comNot established = yet...

So already there we ara talking a different directory setup = and in this case I have not moved anything around.

/Palle



On 16 = Mar 2018, at 21.07, Michael Davis <admin@network13.net>= wrote:

Palle,

One suggestion might be = to leave the WebCatalog directory at = /Library/WebServer/Documents/ 
That way any = time you want to access the global WebCatalog preferences, you can do so = outside of the virtual hosts you set up, for instance by IP = address.

If it = were me, I would leave things where they were installed and have a = directory structure like this:

/Library/CGI-Executables/WebCatalogEngine
/Library/WebServer/Documents/WebCatalog    <- = for accessing WebCat preferences/settings.
/Library/WebServer/hosts           =                     =    <- make a directory for your virtual hosts = (optional/organizational)
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-01.com
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-02.com
/Library/WebServer/hosts/www.virtual-03.com


Leave the DocumentRoot alone.  It's fine at the = default.

Then = use WebMin's Apache2 module to create your virtual sites.

One question I have is = why do you have a WebCatalog and a WebDNA directory?


On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:03 PM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

Okay, = then please explain how I can access the WebDNA folder with all its = configurations which is located at the other locations (directories) = other than the =E2=80=9CLibrary/WebServer/Documents=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6.

/Palle



On 16 = Mar 2018, at 20.00, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

stop changing the directories!!!

all u need is /Library/WebServer

NO data, web, = sites 

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:57 PM, = Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
just use /Library/WebServer



On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:34 PM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:
Okay, so you convinced me to take the native Apache route = within macOS High Sierra. So I installed a fresh copy of WebDNA Server = (most recent version) and I figured our that the default Apache install = wa based on port 8080 which was why it dit not work initially. Anyhow i = get WebDNA to work when assigning a .dna but I need some guidance on the = following=E2=80=A6

So = Apache is per default installed here=E2=80=A6:
/etc/apache2/

WebDNA Server is installed here=E2=80=A6:

/Library/Server/Web/Data/CGI-Executables/
and
/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebCatalog/
/Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/WebDNA/

So when looking into Apache httpd.conf

DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents"
<Directory "/Library/WebServer/Documents">

I need to direct it to where my Site and WebDNA root is = located. Should the above point to the =E2=80=9CLibrary/Sever=E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D directory or should I keep the =E2=80=9C/Library/WebServer=E2=80=A6=E2= =80=9D. I case off the latter then how can I open the Web Admin = interface in my webbrowser as it is located elsewhere?

/Palle








On 16 Mar 2018, at 03.38, Brian = Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

u need to remember... = everything is in there that u need but apple is fighting you to get this = running as they see it as a security risk to their OS and = reputation!

I've = seen Apple have the wrong allow/deny and their are other variations = sometimes.... apachectl = configtest will tell you if they are wrong but u will need to figure out = what is correct!
It's not easy running your own mac = web server!!! 
 
<Directory = "/Library/WebServer">
    Options = Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
    = AllowOverride None
    Order = allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

On Fri, = Mar 16, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
the sever (apache) may not start or stay running if u have = syntax errors!!! use "apachectl configtest"
plug away at the = errors...


On Fri, = Mar 16, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
Terminal window.... u need to see "Syntax = OK"
-----------------------------------------------------------
apachectl = configtest
Last login: Wed Mar 14 06:06:49 on = console
You have mail.
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ bharrington$ apachectl = configtest
httpd: Could not reliably determine the = server's fully qualified domain name, using = Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro.local for ServerName
Syntax OK
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ = bharrington$ apachectl start
This operation = requires root.
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ = bharrington$ Sudo su -
Password:
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root# apachectl start
org.apache.httpd: Already loaded
Brian-Harringtons-Mac-Pro:~ root# 
-----------------------------------------------------------

On = Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:05 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
terminal window app is inside applications/Utiliteis

first type: Sudo su = -
enter pasword...

then type: apachectl = start
or
apachectl restart

apachectl stop
---------------------
type = this... apachectl configtest
it will help you = locate problems!!!

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:50 PM, Stuart Tremain = <webdna@idfk.com.au> wrote:
Palle

Don=E2=80=99t be afraid of the CLI.

Restart Apache is so very = easy

Open = terminal and then type the following:

To start httpd:

sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl =start

To stop httpd:

sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl stop

To restart httpd:

sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl =restart
If you leave terminal open, all you = have to do is hit the up arrow key and the last command you typed into = terminal will appear again, just hit enter to execute it = again.





Kind regards

Stuart = Tremain
Pharoah Lane Software
AUSTRALIA
webdna@idfk.com.au






On 16 Mar 2018, at 05:23, Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:

I hear you loud and clear and I will try it = out as well. But I need some easy (UI) way to start/stop the Apache = which is not CLI

/Palle



On 15 Mar 2018, at 03.19, Brian Harrington = <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:

also... u = DON'T need MAMP!!!

apache is right there to edit = manually!!!  shift command g
folder /private
then open etc = folder or go directly to it /etc
inside etc = is apache2 folder...
GUI's from my exp don't work = on mac regardless what THEY tell you!!!


On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:09 AM, = Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
if u gonna run SSL"s... I create index on file index.tpl and = create files index.htm & index.html and put [include file=3Dindex.tpl]= as u will not b able to use the same file name in vhost an = sslhost....

On Thu, = Mar 15, 2018 at 2:02 AM, Brian Harrington <autoglasswny@gmail.com> wrote:
why r u moving things around and why r u using index.dna = makes no sense to me... u r just creating problems!

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Brian Harrington = <autoglasswny@gmail.com> = wrote:
u need to set .dna in webdna .config and prefs

ValidTemplateExtensions.html .htm .tpl .dna .txt

AddHandler webcatalog2-handler .html .htm .tpl .dna .txt

apache...
<IfModule = dir_module>
    DirectoryIndex = index.html index.htm index.tpl
</IfModule>

note i don't use .dna LOL so not in = apache but u will need to add it....

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:07 PM, = Palle Bo Nielsen <powerpalle@powerpalle.dk> wrote:
Hi all

This is a new thread with a mission to get WebDNA to work with MAMP = Pro.

Prerequisites=E2=80=A6:

- MacOS High Sierra 10.13.3 (not running "Apple Server App=E2=80=9D)
- WebDNA Server 8.5.1
- MAMP Pro 4.4.1


DIRECTORIES
=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

o MAMP Location:
/Applications/MAMP/

o Site Root:
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/

o WebDNA:
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebCatalog
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/WebDNA
/Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine
=
o Apache:
/Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/


APACHE CONFIGURATION
=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

/Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf

Added the following=E2=80=A6
Include /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf

Within the webdna.conf file which is located here, i...
/Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/webdna.conf
=E2=80=A6I modified the path to the WebDNA module
LoadModule webcatalog2_module  =  /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/WebCatalogEngine/mod_WebDNA_apache2.4.so

Within this directory I create an index.dna file to test if WebDNA = parses
/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/index.dna

When trying to load the following on my local network it fails. Actually = it downloads the index.dna file in stead of parsing it.
192.168.1.144/index.dna

Doing the same with a normal index.html with no WebDNA expectations = (just a plain html) it loads just fine.


I am missing something. Any clue out there.

/Palle


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