Re: Integration?

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1999

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texte = >I have a question that I was hoping would start a discussion about>peoples experiences integrating WebCat into their Web Developmentscene.I hope so too. We are people after all and not just the fleshware thatenables computers to function. Hopefully those who don't want to tossabout ideas in this area can just note the thread topic and skip overit.>There is a section of the site that I will be developing as a customset of templates >for this store. My boss does not want it to be doneusing a database so he can >work on it too. I on the other hand can'timagine any other way of doing it.1) Can the visual aspects of the pages those templates will implement beturned over to your boss so he is designing what people will be seeingwhile you are doing the behind the scenes work?2) Can what your boss is aiming at be slightly modified so that you canthen take on a WebCat challenge of a lifetime and still get thatdatabase functionality in there?I have struggled with similar problems in my venture. I have twopartners who are both strong-minded, creative, talented, hard-workingbusiness women who are very much used to being in a position of hands-oncontrol. Unfortunately neither of them have worked with computers orwant to. I had worked with computers but never done any programming,websites etc. so I was a few notches above knowing nada.But the three of us were all wanting to be doing a totally differentkind of thing when that new millenium came rolling in soooo . . .I hadn't been enamoured with the majority of ecommerce sites I'd visitedbecause they made me feel like I was rifling through a stack of courtdocuments with a few polaroids thrown in here and there. Some hadfunctionality but lacked enough visual stimulation for me to want tohang around long enough to shop, etc. (Note * None of the sites Ivisited were ones designed by the wondrous people who frequent thislist. Coming across sites designed with WebCat were the reason I wantedto utilize this software.)Anyway, I was fascinated by the whole web thing and I've always felt oneshouldn't stand on the sidelines yada-ing about others efforts unlessone was willing to put their own ideas into practice.And golly if the whole idea of creating some really neat e-commercewebsites didn't sound like more fun than a bunch of happy kittens.My partners thought so too!So it was one of those jump on in, the water's fine moments.(Pretend you hear a midi of a gigantic boistrous splash!!!)Then, merely seconds later . . .Comments made by those swimming cheerfully by . . .You can't swiw a stroke can you??Swim? She can't even tread water !!>The problem lies in that my boss who is the designer, is uncomfortablewith>code and uses CyberStudio to do almost everything he does code.Luckily for me, once our first sites are up my partners will then beable to do what it is they do so well - handling product and orders andinteraction with customers etc. For my partners it is the equivalent ofhaving to wait while a store is being physically built and themrealizing they wouldn't expect themselves to suddenly becomecontractors, electricians, plumbers and so on.That part was left up to me the one who loved computers to pull off.And I was perfect for the role cuz I'm the sort of person who's alwaysloved a good intellectual challenge. :D>So my question is this...I guess it is becoming a reality to my bossthat>the sites we are starting to do are beginning to move out of his grasp.>Has anyone else had to deal with this? Any input would be greatly>appreciated - especially if it makes the integration easier foreveryone>here.I, myself, still remain a code-challenged individual. But if your bosstruly wants the sites to not move out of his grasp then it is hisresponsibility to get his bottom in gear and start doing a whole lot oflearning. Otherwise he will be sacrificing a level of functionality inthe sites he creates for his clients in order to pander to his ignoranceand that isn't fair to the clients.If your boss wants to be in the business of developing websites thenhe's gonna need to know his stuff. Maybe a copy of The AbsoluteBeginner's Guide to Programming or some of those nifty For Dummiesbooks tucked anonymously into his mail cubby at work and a cheery littlenote assuring him it's not really as overwhelming as it seems at firstyada yada yada(which of course is an outright lie except in the sense that it's evenmore overwhelming than it seems at first, but by the time he realizesthat he'll either keep going till he gets up to speed or at least he'llunderstand enough of the functionality of things so you can work moreefficiently as a team).My WebCat integration problem lies with another friend who (after afew monthes of watching me flop around like a goldfish out of its bowl)is helping me with programming but has never utilized WebCat or WebDNAand doesn't understand my determination to utilize it in my sites.So it's kind of the opposite of what you're going thru. I'm the designerwho was determined to have top-rate functionality integrated into myvisual creations and is slogging away learning stuff that makes mybraincells feel like they're frying more often than not.And my programming friend is looking at me like you were looking at yourboss when he insisted on no databases . . .while I babble on about how he is gonna just love this WebDNA stuffand he wants to just do it the way he's always done it.Golly if all this personalities stuff doesn't just add the cherry to thetop of a sundae that was pretty darned complicated already.But don't get discouraged. This is still better than digging ditches ormucking out stables ( or at least I hope it is : D ).Robin Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

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>I have a question that I was hoping would start a discussion about>peoples experiences integrating WebCat into their Web Developmentscene.I hope so too. We are people after all and not just the fleshware thatenables computers to function. Hopefully those who don't want to tossabout ideas in this area can just note the thread topic and skip overit.>There is a section of the site that I will be developing as a customset of templates >for this store. My boss does not want it to be doneusing a database so he can >work on it too. I on the other hand can'timagine any other way of doing it.1) Can the visual aspects of the pages those templates will implement beturned over to your boss so he is designing what people will be seeingwhile you are doing the behind the scenes work?2) Can what your boss is aiming at be slightly modified so that you canthen take on a WebCat challenge of a lifetime and still get thatdatabase functionality in there?I have struggled with similar problems in my venture. I have twopartners who are both strong-minded, creative, talented, hard-workingbusiness women who are very much used to being in a position of hands-oncontrol. Unfortunately neither of them have worked with computers orwant to. I had worked with computers but never done any programming,websites etc. so I was a few notches above knowing nada.But the three of us were all wanting to be doing a totally differentkind of thing when that new millenium came rolling in soooo . . .I hadn't been enamoured with the majority of ecommerce sites I'd visitedbecause they made me feel like I was rifling through a stack of courtdocuments with a few polaroids thrown in here and there. Some hadfunctionality but lacked enough visual stimulation for me to want tohang around long enough to shop, etc. (Note * None of the sites Ivisited were ones designed by the wondrous people who frequent thislist. Coming across sites designed with WebCat were the reason I wantedto utilize this software.)Anyway, I was fascinated by the whole web thing and I've always felt oneshouldn't stand on the sidelines yada-ing about others efforts unlessone was willing to put their own ideas into practice.And golly if the whole idea of creating some really neat e-commercewebsites didn't sound like more fun than a bunch of happy kittens.My partners thought so too!So it was one of those jump on in, the water's fine moments.(Pretend you hear a midi of a gigantic boistrous splash!!!)Then, merely seconds later . . .Comments made by those swimming cheerfully by . . .You can't swiw a stroke can you??Swim? She can't even tread water !!>The problem lies in that my boss who is the designer, is uncomfortablewith>code and uses CyberStudio to do almost everything he does code.Luckily for me, once our first sites are up my partners will then beable to do what it is they do so well - handling product and orders andinteraction with customers etc. For my partners it is the equivalent ofhaving to wait while a store is being physically built and themrealizing they wouldn't expect themselves to suddenly becomecontractors, electricians, plumbers and so on.That part was left up to me the one who loved computers to pull off.And I was perfect for the role cuz I'm the sort of person who's alwaysloved a good intellectual challenge. :D>So my question is this...I guess it is becoming a reality to my bossthat>the sites we are starting to do are beginning to move out of his grasp.>Has anyone else had to deal with this? Any input would be greatly>appreciated - especially if it makes the integration easier foreveryone>here.I, myself, still remain a code-challenged individual. But if your bosstruly wants the sites to not move out of his grasp then it is hisresponsibility to get his bottom in gear and start doing a whole lot oflearning. Otherwise he will be sacrificing a level of functionality inthe sites he creates for his clients in order to pander to his ignoranceand that isn't fair to the clients.If your boss wants to be in the business of developing websites thenhe's gonna need to know his stuff. Maybe a copy of The AbsoluteBeginner's Guide to Programming or some of those nifty For Dummiesbooks tucked anonymously into his mail cubby at work and a cheery littlenote assuring him it's not really as overwhelming as it seems at firstyada yada yada(which of course is an outright lie except in the sense that it's evenmore overwhelming than it seems at first, but by the time he realizesthat he'll either keep going till he gets up to speed or at least he'llunderstand enough of the functionality of things so you can work moreefficiently as a team).My WebCat integration problem lies with another friend who (after afew monthes of watching me flop around like a goldfish out of its bowl)is helping me with programming but has never utilized WebCat or WebDNAand doesn't understand my determination to utilize it in my sites.So it's kind of the opposite of what you're going thru. I'm the designerwho was determined to have top-rate functionality integrated into myvisual creations and is slogging away learning stuff that makes mybraincells feel like they're frying more often than not.And my programming friend is looking at me like you were looking at yourboss when he insisted on no databases . . .while I babble on about how he is gonna just love this WebDNA stuffand he wants to just do it the way he's always done it.Golly if all this personalities stuff doesn't just add the cherry to thetop of a sundae that was pretty darned complicated already.But don't get discouraged. This is still better than digging ditches ormucking out stables ( or at least I hope it is : D ).Robin Susie

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