Re: OT: Poll Results
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2002
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texte = Alex,Well, damn, Donovan beat me to the alcoholism joke, but, nonethless, I want to say that I fully agree with you, and have had my share of head/heart aches trying to push this wonderful solution. I managed to get one significant corporate client to drink the Kool-Aid, but beyond that it's been a long and winding road of watching one RFP after another get scooped up by someone who is tooting the PHP/ASP/Cold Fusion horn, when we all know damn well that the client couldn't tell a server-side scripting language from a hole in the ground. I, like you, have spent many nights wondering if I screwed up by not following the crowd and learning coldasphpfusion (or whatever the flavor of the month was at the time).I'm in so deep now that the thought of learning a new language, frankly, seems like a waste of time, as it would, in effect, get in the way of me making money in a time when business ain't so good.Oh well, I guess all we can do is hang in there and hope that more people will eventually see the light.Ok, now I digress too and need to get back to work...-Dan ------------------------------------------- http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:04:40 Alex McCombie
wrote: >On 8/5/02 11:31 AM, Donovan > wrote: > >> Good, I need something to sober me up... anyway, >> Not sure I get what you mean... It looks to me like: >> >> 1.) there is not that many people who use DNA ;-) >Yep. I guess I had a skewed perspective on how many. (I >was surprised to see >the small number). > > >> 2.) If you do, its a good language for an entrepeneur. > There in lies the debate. We have done well with >Webdna. We have dealt >with some very large corporate clients. The last site >finished was a 65 >database Oracle/ASP makeover with a considerable price >tag. But.... > I simply cannot tell you how difficult it has been >to compete >recommending a product with such a small and unknown >market share. It has >been a truly frustrating experience to lose out on one >opportunity after >another because the perspective simply could not get >behind an unknown. >Eventually we had to submit to delivering duel >recommendations with >different price tags. We would try to use large financial >incentives to lure >the client away from the larger ASP/ORACLE quote. It >really didn't work all >that much, but did help to ensure that we wouldn't be >summarily eliminated >because of our platform recommendation. > > I, and everyone I have ever discussed this with, >know that I feel that >WebDNA can perform circles around Microsoft solutions in >nearly all mid >range corporate projects both in raw performance and >reliability. (the lack >of multi-machine data syncing being the only major >drawback)... But most >clients with a checkbook would rather pay extra for a >solution that is >widely supported and thus (in their logic) more readily >serviced in the long >haul. > > I am drawn back to the experience I had when I >worked for Kodak in their >digital imaging division. Back then I couldn't understand >why Kodak wanted >to help seed Cannon with their digital imaging technology >as they were in >direct competition. The logic then was simple. If you are >the only one on a >large market with a technology, or worse, the only one >with a superior yet >unknown technology then you are in the uncomfortable >position of having to >'convert' the whole world (or at least enough to be self >sustaining). If you >could bring in your friends and competitors then anything >they sell, or >advertise, or succeed in has the 'potential' to benefit >you and your market >of the compatible technology. At the very least they were >helping educate >the market on the value of the technology. A dangerous >game to be sure, but >alas.... > >Personally I know I haven't done myself any great >advantage over the years >by making the decision to forgo becoming a ASP/ORACLE >expert in exchange for >becoming a WebDNA expert. I can only hope that my >position on the survey (a >entrepreneur) doesn't ever change ;-) Because in the job >market I would be >in a bit of trouble ;-) > >Anyway... I digress ;-) > >Back to the grind. >Alex > > > > > >Alex J McCombie > New World Media >Chief Information Officer > Drawer 607 >800/724.8973 Fair >Haven, NY 13064 >Alex@NewWorldMedia.com > http://OurClients.com > >Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer > Database Designer > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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Alex,Well, damn, Donovan beat me to the alcoholism joke, but, nonethless, I want to say that I fully agree with you, and have had my share of head/heart aches trying to push this wonderful solution. I managed to get one significant corporate client to drink the Kool-Aid, but beyond that it's been a long and winding road of watching one RFP after another get scooped up by someone who is tooting the PHP/ASP/Cold Fusion horn, when we all know damn well that the client couldn't tell a server-side scripting language from a hole in the ground. I, like you, have spent many nights wondering if I screwed up by not following the crowd and learning coldasphpfusion (or whatever the flavor of the month was at the time).I'm in so deep now that the thought of learning a new language, frankly, seems like a waste of time, as it would, in effect, get in the way of me making money in a time when business ain't so good.Oh well, I guess all we can do is hang in there and hope that more people will eventually see the light.Ok, now I digress too and need to get back to work...-Dan ------------------------------------------- http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:04:40 Alex McCombie wrote: >On 8/5/02 11:31 AM, Donovan > wrote: > >> Good, I need something to sober me up... anyway, >> Not sure I get what you mean... It looks to me like: >> >> 1.) there is not that many people who use DNA ;-) >Yep. I guess I had a skewed perspective on how many. (I >was surprised to see >the small number). > > >> 2.) If you do, its a good language for an entrepeneur. > There in lies the debate. We have done well with >Webdna. We have dealt >with some very large corporate clients. The last site >finished was a 65 >database Oracle/ASP makeover with a considerable price >tag. But.... > I simply cannot tell you how difficult it has been >to compete >recommending a product with such a small and unknown >market share. It has >been a truly frustrating experience to lose out on one >opportunity after >another because the perspective simply could not get >behind an unknown. >Eventually we had to submit to delivering duel >recommendations with >different price tags. We would try to use large financial >incentives to lure >the client away from the larger ASP/ORACLE quote. It >really didn't work all >that much, but did help to ensure that we wouldn't be >summarily eliminated >because of our platform recommendation. > > I, and everyone I have ever discussed this with, >know that I feel that >WebDNA can perform circles around Microsoft solutions in >nearly all mid >range corporate projects both in raw performance and >reliability. (the lack >of multi-machine data syncing being the only major >drawback)... But most >clients with a checkbook would rather pay extra for a >solution that is >widely supported and thus (in their logic) more readily >serviced in the long >haul. > > I am drawn back to the experience I had when I >worked for Kodak in their >digital imaging division. Back then I couldn't understand >why Kodak wanted >to help seed Cannon with their digital imaging technology >as they were in >direct competition. The logic then was simple. If you are >the only one on a >large market with a technology, or worse, the only one >with a superior yet >unknown technology then you are in the uncomfortable >position of having to >'convert' the whole world (or at least enough to be self >sustaining). If you >could bring in your friends and competitors then anything >they sell, or >advertise, or succeed in has the 'potential' to benefit >you and your market >of the compatible technology. At the very least they were >helping educate >the market on the value of the technology. A dangerous >game to be sure, but >alas.... > >Personally I know I haven't done myself any great >advantage over the years >by making the decision to forgo becoming a ASP/ORACLE >expert in exchange for >becoming a WebDNA expert. I can only hope that my >position on the survey (a >entrepreneur) doesn't ever change ;-) Because in the job >market I would be >in a bit of trouble ;-) > >Anyway... I digress ;-) > >Back to the grind. >Alex > > > > > >Alex J McCombie > New World Media >Chief Information Officer > Drawer 607 >800/724.8973 Fair >Haven, NY 13064 >Alex@NewWorldMedia.com > http://OurClients.com > >Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer > Database Designer > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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