Re: OT: Poll Results
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2002
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 42264
interpreted = N
texte = Well, this is all very encouraging, and I will take it into consideration as I reassess my current position.Although I offer affordable WebDNA hosting via my friendly (virtual) neighborhood webhost in Seattle (who I won't name, but many of you probably use as well ;) ) the thing that seems to continually happen with me is that clients already have a host and are very reluctant to change that, so that puts me in the postion, then, of having to explain to them that in order for me to do their dev, they will need to pay $2k for WebCat, and then hope that the asp-hole who admins their (more-often than not) shared server won't mind installing this little plugin that I have right here...Not likely, and this way lies madness, as I'm sure you are all aware.Anyway, just venting a little. But seriously, thanks for the advice and I am currently processing it as I mull over a new approach to making my business a truly successful one.-Dan ------------------------------------------- http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656 On Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:33:01 Kimberly D Ingram
wrote: >I haven't seemed to have much of a problem with >ASP/PHP/CF comparisons >either. I simply don't talk about the programming >language(s) unless asked >by the client. If they do interrogate, I give them a >very brief answer, >minimize the importance, then keeping moving forward. > >My interest in taking this poll has come from my notation >of some of the >responses on this mailing list. >There are several developers here that seem to have spent >an extended amount >of time on testing and researching WebDNA. > >Now don't get me wrong, I think that is fabulous and it >benefits me greatly >as well as many others, BUT... it also amazes me. Being >an independent >developer, I simply do NOT have the time to go above and >beyond exactly what >I need to get the job done. Time for testing and >exploring is more than >limited for me. > >In learning WebDNA, I have basically gained my experience >as needed, which >I'm sure puts me a bit behind many of those who work for >another business >alongside other developers. To be competitive, I have to >be capable of >pulling projects off the board as quickly as companies >who may have 2, 3, 4 >or more developers on staff. That alone, makes my time >extremely valuable, >yet very constrained. Not to mention, being >independent... there are many >other aspects of your work that you must carry on your >own shoulders: >consultation, billing, education, technical support, >taxes, etc. Again, all >of those tasks taking away from any research and testing >time allocation. > >I realize the importance of this research and I know that >bottom line, it >will save me time and effort... but in the real world, >it seems virtually >impossible to accomplish. > >Just my stance on the topic. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: WebCatalog Talk >[mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of >Karl Schroll >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:51 PM >To: WebCatalog Talk >Subject: Re: OT: Poll Results > >> (5) Owners of Development Business (more than 1 >>employee) > >^ >This is me. > >I'm not positive, but since we started developing with >WebCatalog 1.6.1, I >don't think that we've EVER lost a job because the >technology didn't stack >up to ASP/Cold Fusion, etc. In fact most of our clients >don't even ask or >care. And most of our projects come in with decent size >budgets, but we're >often substantially less than the competition. Seems for >us the sweet spot >in is larger organizations that don't really have an IT >department, but >sometimes an IT person who does double duty, is >overworked, and is just >looking for an affordable way to ease the pain of website >management, which >is where our WebCat content management system fits the >bill nicely. The >more bells and whistles in the project, the more you're >likely to run into >the IT people who want the safe ASP/CF solution. But >we've gotten some of >those too. Get testimonials from your higher-profile >sites, give demos, and >keep the price reasonable and maybe don't target the >higest end. >-- > >Regards, > >Karl Schroll >Digital Frontier >PO Box 1171, 1813 Mountain Road >Stowe, VT 05672 >802-253-8612 >schroll@digitalfrontier.com >www.digitalfrontier.com > >************************************************** >Take control of your web site with our easy-to-use >content management systems. Discover for yourself >how easy web site management can be! >************************************************** > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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Well, this is all very encouraging, and I will take it into consideration as I reassess my current position.Although I offer affordable WebDNA hosting via my friendly (virtual) neighborhood webhost in Seattle (who I won't name, but many of you probably use as well ;) ) the thing that seems to continually happen with me is that clients already have a host and are very reluctant to change that, so that puts me in the postion, then, of having to explain to them that in order for me to do their dev, they will need to pay $2k for WebCat, and then hope that the asp-hole who admins their (more-often than not) shared server won't mind installing this little plugin that I have right here...Not likely, and this way lies madness, as I'm sure you are all aware.Anyway, just venting a little. But seriously, thanks for the advice and I am currently processing it as I mull over a new approach to making my business a truly successful one.-Dan ------------------------------------------- http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com (208) 319-0137 | Toll-free p/f 877-561-1656 On Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:33:01 Kimberly D Ingram wrote: >I haven't seemed to have much of a problem with >ASP/PHP/CF comparisons >either. I simply don't talk about the programming >language(s) unless asked >by the client. If they do interrogate, I give them a >very brief answer, >minimize the importance, then keeping moving forward. > >My interest in taking this poll has come from my notation >of some of the >responses on this mailing list. >There are several developers here that seem to have spent >an extended amount >of time on testing and researching WebDNA. > >Now don't get me wrong, I think that is fabulous and it >benefits me greatly >as well as many others, BUT... it also amazes me. Being >an independent >developer, I simply do NOT have the time to go above and >beyond exactly what >I need to get the job done. Time for testing and >exploring is more than >limited for me. > >In learning WebDNA, I have basically gained my experience >as needed, which >I'm sure puts me a bit behind many of those who work for >another business >alongside other developers. To be competitive, I have to >be capable of >pulling projects off the board as quickly as companies >who may have 2, 3, 4 >or more developers on staff. That alone, makes my time >extremely valuable, >yet very constrained. Not to mention, being >independent... there are many >other aspects of your work that you must carry on your >own shoulders: >consultation, billing, education, technical support, >taxes, etc. Again, all >of those tasks taking away from any research and testing >time allocation. > >I realize the importance of this research and I know that >bottom line, it >will save me time and effort... but in the real world, >it seems virtually >impossible to accomplish. > >Just my stance on the topic. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: WebCatalog Talk >[mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of >Karl Schroll >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:51 PM >To: WebCatalog Talk >Subject: Re: OT: Poll Results > >> (5) Owners of Development Business (more than 1 >>employee) > >^ >This is me. > >I'm not positive, but since we started developing with >WebCatalog 1.6.1, I >don't think that we've EVER lost a job because the >technology didn't stack >up to ASP/Cold Fusion, etc. In fact most of our clients >don't even ask or >care. And most of our projects come in with decent size >budgets, but we're >often substantially less than the competition. Seems for >us the sweet spot >in is larger organizations that don't really have an IT >department, but >sometimes an IT person who does double duty, is >overworked, and is just >looking for an affordable way to ease the pain of website >management, which >is where our WebCat content management system fits the >bill nicely. The >more bells and whistles in the project, the more you're >likely to run into >the IT people who want the safe ASP/CF solution. But >we've gotten some of >those too. Get testimonials from your higher-profile >sites, give demos, and >keep the price reasonable and maybe don't target the >higest end. >-- > >Regards, > >Karl Schroll >Digital Frontier >PO Box 1171, 1813 Mountain Road >Stowe, VT 05672 >802-253-8612 >schroll@digitalfrontier.com >www.digitalfrontier.com > >************************************************** >Take control of your web site with our easy-to-use >content management systems. Discover for yourself >how easy web site management can be! >************************************************** > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >Web Archive of this list is at: >http://search.smithmicro.com/------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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