Re: OT: Poll Results
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2002
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texte = You guys are @#$% depressing. It's already Monday and that's depressing enough.Alisha S. Outridge Spec Simple, Inc. Where the World of Design Connects...On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 02:04 PM, Alex McCombie wrote:> On 8/5/02 11:31 AM, Donovan
wrote: > >> Good, I need something to sober me up... anyway, >> Not sure I get what you mean... It looks to me like: >> >> 1.) there is not that many people who use DNA ;-) > Yep. I guess I had a skewed perspective on how many. (I was surprised > to see > the small number). > > >> 2.) If you do, its a good language for an entrepeneur. > There in lies the debate. We have done well with Webdna. We have > dealt > with some very large corporate clients. The last site finished was a 65 > database Oracle/ASP makeover with a considerable price tag. But.... > I simply cannot tell you how difficult it has been to compete > recommending a product with such a small and unknown market share. It > has > been a truly frustrating experience to lose out on one opportunity after > another because the perspective simply could not get behind an unknown. > Eventually we had to submit to delivering duel recommendations with > different price tags. We would try to use large financial incentives to > lure > the client away from the larger ASP/ORACLE quote. It really didn't work > all > that much, but did help to ensure that we wouldn't be summarily > eliminated > because of our platform recommendation. > > I, and everyone I have ever discussed this with, know that I feel > that > WebDNA can perform circles around Microsoft solutions in nearly all mid > range corporate projects both in raw performance and reliability. (the > lack > of multi-machine data syncing being the only major drawback)... But most > clients with a checkbook would rather pay extra for a solution that is > widely supported and thus (in their logic) more readily serviced in the > long > haul. > > I am drawn back to the experience I had when I worked for Kodak in > their > digital imaging division. Back then I couldn't understand why Kodak > wanted > to help seed Cannon with their digital imaging technology as they were > in > direct competition. The logic then was simple. If you are the only one > on a > large market with a technology, or worse, the only one with a superior > yet > unknown technology then you are in the uncomfortable position of having > to > 'convert' the whole world (or at least enough to be self sustaining). > If you > could bring in your friends and competitors then anything they sell, or > advertise, or succeed in has the 'potential' to benefit you and your > market > of the compatible technology. At the very least they were helping > educate > the market on the value of the technology. A dangerous game to be sure, > but > alas.... > > Personally I know I haven't done myself any great advantage over the > years > by making the decision to forgo becoming a ASP/ORACLE expert in > exchange for > becoming a WebDNA expert. I can only hope that my position on the > survey (a > entrepreneur) doesn't ever change ;-) Because in the job market I would > be > in a bit of trouble ;-) > > Anyway... I digress ;-) > > Back to the grind. > Alex > > > > > > Alex J McCombie New World Media > Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 > 800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 > Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.com > > Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@talk.smithmicro.com> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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You guys are @#$% depressing. It's already Monday and that's depressing enough.Alisha S. Outridge Spec Simple, Inc. Where the World of Design Connects...On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 02:04 PM, Alex McCombie wrote:> On 8/5/02 11:31 AM, Donovan wrote: > >> Good, I need something to sober me up... anyway, >> Not sure I get what you mean... It looks to me like: >> >> 1.) there is not that many people who use DNA ;-) > Yep. I guess I had a skewed perspective on how many. (I was surprised > to see > the small number). > > >> 2.) If you do, its a good language for an entrepeneur. > There in lies the debate. We have done well with Webdna. We have > dealt > with some very large corporate clients. The last site finished was a 65 > database Oracle/ASP makeover with a considerable price tag. But.... > I simply cannot tell you how difficult it has been to compete > recommending a product with such a small and unknown market share. It > has > been a truly frustrating experience to lose out on one opportunity after > another because the perspective simply could not get behind an unknown. > Eventually we had to submit to delivering duel recommendations with > different price tags. We would try to use large financial incentives to > lure > the client away from the larger ASP/ORACLE quote. It really didn't work > all > that much, but did help to ensure that we wouldn't be summarily > eliminated > because of our platform recommendation. > > I, and everyone I have ever discussed this with, know that I feel > that > WebDNA can perform circles around Microsoft solutions in nearly all mid > range corporate projects both in raw performance and reliability. (the > lack > of multi-machine data syncing being the only major drawback)... But most > clients with a checkbook would rather pay extra for a solution that is > widely supported and thus (in their logic) more readily serviced in the > long > haul. > > I am drawn back to the experience I had when I worked for Kodak in > their > digital imaging division. Back then I couldn't understand why Kodak > wanted > to help seed Cannon with their digital imaging technology as they were > in > direct competition. The logic then was simple. If you are the only one > on a > large market with a technology, or worse, the only one with a superior > yet > unknown technology then you are in the uncomfortable position of having > to > 'convert' the whole world (or at least enough to be self sustaining). > If you > could bring in your friends and competitors then anything they sell, or > advertise, or succeed in has the 'potential' to benefit you and your > market > of the compatible technology. At the very least they were helping > educate > the market on the value of the technology. A dangerous game to be sure, > but > alas.... > > Personally I know I haven't done myself any great advantage over the > years > by making the decision to forgo becoming a ASP/ORACLE expert in > exchange for > becoming a WebDNA expert. I can only hope that my position on the > survey (a > entrepreneur) doesn't ever change ;-) Because in the job market I would > be > in a bit of trouble ;-) > > Anyway... I digress ;-) > > Back to the grind. > Alex > > > > > > Alex J McCombie New World Media > Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 > 800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 > Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.com > > Interface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@talk.smithmicro.com> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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