Re: OT: Poll Results
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numero = 42260
interpreted = N
texte = On 8/5/02 11:31 AM, Donovan
wrote:> Good, I need something to sober me up... anyway, > Not sure I get what you mean... It looks to me like: > > 1.) there is not that many people who use DNA ;-) Yep. I guess I had a skewed perspective on how many. (I was surprised to see the small number). > 2.) If you do, its a good language for an entrepeneur. There in lies the debate. We have done well with Webdna. We have dealt with some very large corporate clients. The last site finished was a 65 database Oracle/ASP makeover with a considerable price tag. But.... I simply cannot tell you how difficult it has been to compete recommending a product with such a small and unknown market share. It has been a truly frustrating experience to lose out on one opportunity after another because the perspective simply could not get behind an unknown. Eventually we had to submit to delivering duel recommendations with different price tags. We would try to use large financial incentives to lure the client away from the larger ASP/ORACLE quote. It really didn't work all that much, but did help to ensure that we wouldn't be summarily eliminated because of our platform recommendation. I, and everyone I have ever discussed this with, know that I feel that WebDNA can perform circles around Microsoft solutions in nearly all mid range corporate projects both in raw performance and reliability. (the lack of multi-machine data syncing being the only major drawback)... But most clients with a checkbook would rather pay extra for a solution that is widely supported and thus (in their logic) more readily serviced in the long haul. I am drawn back to the experience I had when I worked for Kodak in their digital imaging division. Back then I couldn't understand why Kodak wanted to help seed Cannon with their digital imaging technology as they were in direct competition. The logic then was simple. If you are the only one on a large market with a technology, or worse, the only one with a superior yet unknown technology then you are in the uncomfortable position of having to 'convert' the whole world (or at least enough to be self sustaining). If you could bring in your friends and competitors then anything they sell, or advertise, or succeed in has the 'potential' to benefit you and your market of the compatible technology. At the very least they were helping educate the market on the value of the technology. A dangerous game to be sure, but alas.... Personally I know I haven't done myself any great advantage over the years by making the decision to forgo becoming a ASP/ORACLE expert in exchange for becoming a WebDNA expert. I can only hope that my position on the survey (a entrepreneur) doesn't ever change ;-) Because in the job market I would be in a bit of trouble ;-)Anyway... I digress ;-)Back to the grind. AlexAlex J McCombie New World Media Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.comInterface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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On 8/5/02 11:31 AM, Donovan wrote:> Good, I need something to sober me up... anyway, > Not sure I get what you mean... It looks to me like: > > 1.) there is not that many people who use DNA ;-) Yep. I guess I had a skewed perspective on how many. (I was surprised to see the small number). > 2.) If you do, its a good language for an entrepeneur. There in lies the debate. We have done well with Webdna. We have dealt with some very large corporate clients. The last site finished was a 65 database Oracle/ASP makeover with a considerable price tag. But.... I simply cannot tell you how difficult it has been to compete recommending a product with such a small and unknown market share. It has been a truly frustrating experience to lose out on one opportunity after another because the perspective simply could not get behind an unknown. Eventually we had to submit to delivering duel recommendations with different price tags. We would try to use large financial incentives to lure the client away from the larger ASP/ORACLE quote. It really didn't work all that much, but did help to ensure that we wouldn't be summarily eliminated because of our platform recommendation. I, and everyone I have ever discussed this with, know that I feel that WebDNA can perform circles around Microsoft solutions in nearly all mid range corporate projects both in raw performance and reliability. (the lack of multi-machine data syncing being the only major drawback)... But most clients with a checkbook would rather pay extra for a solution that is widely supported and thus (in their logic) more readily serviced in the long haul. I am drawn back to the experience I had when I worked for Kodak in their digital imaging division. Back then I couldn't understand why Kodak wanted to help seed Cannon with their digital imaging technology as they were in direct competition. The logic then was simple. If you are the only one on a large market with a technology, or worse, the only one with a superior yet unknown technology then you are in the uncomfortable position of having to 'convert' the whole world (or at least enough to be self sustaining). If you could bring in your friends and competitors then anything they sell, or advertise, or succeed in has the 'potential' to benefit you and your market of the compatible technology. At the very least they were helping educate the market on the value of the technology. A dangerous game to be sure, but alas.... Personally I know I haven't done myself any great advantage over the years by making the decision to forgo becoming a ASP/ORACLE expert in exchange for becoming a WebDNA expert. I can only hope that my position on the survey (a entrepreneur) doesn't ever change ;-) Because in the job market I would be in a bit of trouble ;-)Anyway... I digress ;-)Back to the grind. AlexAlex J McCombie New World Media Chief Information Officer Drawer 607 800/724.8973 Fair Haven, NY 13064 Alex@NewWorldMedia.com http://OurClients.comInterface Designer WebDNA Programmer Database Designer------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://search.smithmicro.com/
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