Re: Page-Execution-Timer...PHP vs WebDNA
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texte = hehe - people use php because other people use php? and if they were smar= t they'd use webDNA? come on people... theres a little more to it than that. if your looking for answers, this conversation has happened at least 3 ti= mes last year and was thoroughly answered from a number of different stan= dpoints. look through the archives for results of technical, feasibility and cost = benefit comparisons and make you're own mind up as to why people use one = over the other. > Dan, Sal, > > It is simple. It is the lemming effect: if everyone else is using it, I= must > use it to be like everyone else. Follow where everyone else is going to= be > where everyone else is. > > Corporate America thrives on this philosophy. Well, they don't thrive > because of it, but perhaps they thrive in spite of it. You've heard it > verbalized in ways such as "Well, no body has ever been fired for hirin= g > IBM..." Aside from that just simply not being true it almost never resu= lts > in a superior solution. It results in a solution that is "just as good = as," > "not as bad as" or in far too many cases a complete failure. Since comp= anies > don't tend to publicize their failures you seldom hear about such thing= s. > > People want to use PHP instead of WebDNA because more people use PHP th= an > WebDNA -- far, far more people. That volume of available developers kee= ps > your customers from being too dependant upon you -- or at least they th= ink > so. That name recognition gives them comfort. When other CEO's ask that= CEO > what his website infrastructure runs on, if he can say "Microsoft" or > something else that the other person recognizes (PHP is becoming more w= idely > recognized among non-techies) he has retained his level of corporate > dignity. If he says "WebDNA" and they say "huh?" Then he becomes dimini= shed. > > It has nothing to do with which is better, but rather which is perceive= d as > being better -- Marketing. My favorite example of this is one of the wo= rld's > largest software companies which is widely known as routinely deliverin= g > seriously flawed software to consumers and businesses by making them be= lieve > that it is the best available, that they need it to work effectively wi= th > others, and that crashes and rebooting their machine is just a routine = way > to clear any problems that arise. For those of you who have not yet mut= tered > "microsoft" please let the rest of us know what you are using. > > The elapsed time comparison is a great one. About 4 years ago I did a > comparison of PHP and visual basic. Look at [date]. The simplest things= in > WebDNA are convoluted in other development environments. For us slower > people, by the time we get done setting all the international variables= and > formatting, time zones, etc. for just displaying the date in VB, the da= te > has changed. > > You are much smarter to use PHP than VB. You are much more productive t= o use > WebDNA than PHP. But then there is that whole flat file vs. relational > database performance matter .... And then there's the cost of PHP vs.= > WebDNA.... > > Paul > > > On 1/17/04 11:21 AM, "Dan Strong"
wrot= e: > > >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? > > $$$ > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:16:52 -0800 > > "Sal" wrote: > >>> From page: > >> > >> http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2003/Dec/03/page-execution-tim= er > >> > >> >> function timer($finish =3D false){ > >> static $start_frac_sec, $start_sec, $end_frac_sec, $end_sec; > >> if($finish){ > >> list($end_frac_sec,$end_sec) =3D explode(" ", microtime()); > >> echo 'This page took about '= . > >> round( > >> ( > >> ($end_sec - $start_sec) > >> + ($end_frac_sec - $start_frac_sec) > >> ), > >> 4) . ' seconds to generate.
\n'; > >> }else{ > >> list($start_frac_sec,$start_sec) =3D explode(" ", microtime(= )); > >> } > >> } > >> ?> > >> > >> > >> wtf was all that wasted code? in webdna: > >> at bottom of page: > >> this page took [format .4f][math][elapsedtime]/60[/math][/format] se= conds to > >> generate. > >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? > >> by Amazing BrianB on 5-Dec-2003 8:42pm est > >> > >> Good question Brian, too bad no one responded. ;-) > >> > >> Sal D'Anna > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >> > >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com > > http://www.SearchBoise.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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hehe - people use php because other people use php? and if they were smar= t they'd use webDNA? come on people... theres a little more to it than that. if your looking for answers, this conversation has happened at least 3 ti= mes last year and was thoroughly answered from a number of different stan= dpoints. look through the archives for results of technical, feasibility and cost = benefit comparisons and make you're own mind up as to why people use one = over the other. > Dan, Sal, > > It is simple. It is the lemming effect: if everyone else is using it, I= must > use it to be like everyone else. Follow where everyone else is going to= be > where everyone else is. > > Corporate America thrives on this philosophy. Well, they don't thrive > because of it, but perhaps they thrive in spite of it. You've heard it > verbalized in ways such as "Well, no body has ever been fired for hirin= g > IBM..." Aside from that just simply not being true it almost never resu= lts > in a superior solution. It results in a solution that is "just as good = as," > "not as bad as" or in far too many cases a complete failure. Since comp= anies > don't tend to publicize their failures you seldom hear about such thing= s. > > People want to use PHP instead of WebDNA because more people use PHP th= an > WebDNA -- far, far more people. That volume of available developers kee= ps > your customers from being too dependant upon you -- or at least they th= ink > so. That name recognition gives them comfort. When other CEO's ask that= CEO > what his website infrastructure runs on, if he can say "Microsoft" or > something else that the other person recognizes (PHP is becoming more w= idely > recognized among non-techies) he has retained his level of corporate > dignity. If he says "WebDNA" and they say "huh?" Then he becomes dimini= shed. > > It has nothing to do with which is better, but rather which is perceive= d as > being better -- Marketing. My favorite example of this is one of the wo= rld's > largest software companies which is widely known as routinely deliverin= g > seriously flawed software to consumers and businesses by making them be= lieve > that it is the best available, that they need it to work effectively wi= th > others, and that crashes and rebooting their machine is just a routine = way > to clear any problems that arise. For those of you who have not yet mut= tered > "microsoft" please let the rest of us know what you are using. > > The elapsed time comparison is a great one. About 4 years ago I did a > comparison of PHP and visual basic. Look at [date]. The simplest things= in > WebDNA are convoluted in other development environments. For us slower > people, by the time we get done setting all the international variables= and > formatting, time zones, etc. for just displaying the date in VB, the da= te > has changed. > > You are much smarter to use PHP than VB. You are much more productive t= o use > WebDNA than PHP. But then there is that whole flat file vs. relational > database performance matter .... And then there's the cost of PHP vs.= > WebDNA.... > > Paul > > > On 1/17/04 11:21 AM, "Dan Strong" wrot= e: > > >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? > > $$$ > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:16:52 -0800 > > "Sal" wrote: > >>> From page: > >> > >> http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2003/Dec/03/page-execution-tim= er > >> > >> >> function timer($finish =3D false){ > >> static $start_frac_sec, $start_sec, $end_frac_sec, $end_sec; > >> if($finish){ > >> list($end_frac_sec,$end_sec) =3D explode(" ", microtime()); > >> echo 'This page took about '= . > >> round( > >> ( > >> ($end_sec - $start_sec) > >> + ($end_frac_sec - $start_frac_sec) > >> ), > >> 4) . ' seconds to generate.
\n'; > >> }else{ > >> list($start_frac_sec,$start_sec) =3D explode(" ", microtime(= )); > >> } > >> } > >> ?> > >> > >> > >> wtf was all that wasted code? in webdna: > >> at bottom of page: > >> this page took [format .4f][math][elapsedtime]/60[/math][/format] se= conds to > >> generate. > >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? > >> by Amazing BrianB on 5-Dec-2003 8:42pm est > >> > >> Good question Brian, too bad no one responded. ;-) > >> > >> Sal D'Anna > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > >> the mailing list . > >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >> > >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com > > http://www.SearchBoise.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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