Re: Page-Execution-Timer...PHP vs WebDNA
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texte = Personally I'm not sure this is appropriate here (IMHO). This list is the most loosely managed list for a company's provided forum that I know of (and I appreciate that). I have a couple of the concerns that many others do but I know I have the choice to use it or not. I think a better way of nagging about things such as "price" might be to send to Smith Micro directly (again IMHO). (ddeck@smithmicro.com perhaps?). But I suppose I'll bite a bit. Kenneth Grome wrote:[snip] > I decided to adopt webdna 7-8 years so I could have a database driven > web site, not for its eCommerce features. There was almost nothing else > available at the time for creating database driven web sites, for the mac you mean right? so the > decision was far easier than it is today. And I was "just a programmer" > back then, not someone making decisions as a CEO. > > When compared to just one of today's popular alternatives, webdna loses > in each of these areas: > > 1- PHP/mySQL is free, not thousands of dollars. Though initial costs are apparent, I somewhat dissagree. You *HAVE* to take into account developement time. (though "we've" discussed this many times on this list). > > 2- PHP/mySQL is available on virtually all hosting services whereas > webdna is not. This is correct. However, I just learned that webdna will run along with PHP! :-) (as well as work with MySQL). > > 3- PHP/mySQL programmers are plentiful and cheap to hire but webdna > programmers are neither. Again, I dissagree. Pit me up against a PHP programmer anytime. We'll see who finishes first and who finishes cheaper. Really! "I ain't skeered." :-) > > As far as SMSI is concerned, it is unfortunate that webdna finds itself > competing with the likes of PHP/mySQL. Ken, I somewhat agree with this. WebDNA had something that your standard PHP/mySQL system didn't a while back. That was the CART tags and the quick ability to raise a store. I may be a minority in this opinion, but I think this is where WebDNA differed (and still does differ) from PHP/mySQL. I think for programmers that deal with creating apps all day are going to want to go to PHP/mySQL... but I think WebDNA is a real draw for those who are: 1. Do it yourselfers. (small business owners etc..) 2. Commerce Store builders 3. And even many full time WWW app builders (the new XML wizzard, New SQL support keep WebDNA as a contender in this area, though I agree, trying to compete with a thriving open source environment is always going to be "catch-up" or matching features) > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome In short, though none of us like to spend chunks of money, I think WebDNA has its place. Donovan -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. BROOKE Eucalyptus Design <-Web Development (specializing in eCommerce), -> <-Graphic Design, and Pre-Press Consultation -> ADDRESS:> Donovan Brooke DBA Eucalyptus Design N2862 Summerville Park Rd. Lodi, WI 53555 PH:> 1.608.592.3567 Web:> http://www.euca.us =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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Personally I'm not sure this is appropriate here (IMHO). This list is the most loosely managed list for a company's provided forum that I know of (and I appreciate that). I have a couple of the concerns that many others do but I know I have the choice to use it or not. I think a better way of nagging about things such as "price" might be to send to Smith Micro directly (again IMHO). (ddeck@smithmicro.com perhaps?). But I suppose I'll bite a bit. Kenneth Grome wrote:[snip] > I decided to adopt webdna 7-8 years so I could have a database driven > web site, not for its eCommerce features. There was almost nothing else > available at the time for creating database driven web sites, for the mac you mean right? so the > decision was far easier than it is today. And I was "just a programmer" > back then, not someone making decisions as a CEO. > > When compared to just one of today's popular alternatives, webdna loses > in each of these areas: > > 1- PHP/mySQL is free, not thousands of dollars. Though initial costs are apparent, I somewhat dissagree. You *HAVE* to take into account developement time. (though "we've" discussed this many times on this list). > > 2- PHP/mySQL is available on virtually all hosting services whereas > webdna is not. This is correct. However, I just learned that webdna will run along with PHP! :-) (as well as work with MySQL). > > 3- PHP/mySQL programmers are plentiful and cheap to hire but webdna > programmers are neither. Again, I dissagree. Pit me up against a PHP programmer anytime. We'll see who finishes first and who finishes cheaper. Really! "I ain't skeered." :-) > > As far as SMSI is concerned, it is unfortunate that webdna finds itself > competing with the likes of PHP/mySQL. Ken, I somewhat agree with this. WebDNA had something that your standard PHP/mySQL system didn't a while back. That was the CART tags and the quick ability to raise a store. I may be a minority in this opinion, but I think this is where WebDNA differed (and still does differ) from PHP/mySQL. I think for programmers that deal with creating apps all day are going to want to go to PHP/mySQL... but I think WebDNA is a real draw for those who are: 1. Do it yourselfers. (small business owners etc..) 2. Commerce Store builders 3. And even many full time WWW app builders (the new XML wizzard, New SQL support keep WebDNA as a contender in this area, though I agree, trying to compete with a thriving open source environment is always going to be "catch-up" or matching features) > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome In short, though none of us like to spend chunks of money, I think WebDNA has its place. Donovan -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. BROOKE Eucalyptus Design <-Web Development (specializing in eCommerce), -> <-Graphic Design, and Pre-Press Consultation -> ADDRESS:> Donovan Brooke DBA Eucalyptus Design N2862 Summerville Park Rd. Lodi, WI 53555 PH:> 1.608.592.3567 Web:> http://www.euca.us =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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