Re: Page-Execution-Timer...PHP vs WebDNA
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texte = Hi Paul, I know that this debate has been done many times on this list. The main reason for the post was to show an example between PHP code and WebDNA code. These types of comparisons are a benefit to the WebDNA community. [snip] But then there is that whole flat file vs. relational database performance matter[/snip] Very soon WebDNA will have built-in support for MySQL so this will no longer be an issue. [snip] When other CEO's ask that CEO what his website infrastructure runs on, if he can say "Microsoft" or something else that the other person recognizes (PHP is becoming more widely recognized among non-techies) he has retained his level of corporate dignity. If he says "WebDNA" and they say "huh?" Then he becomes diminished.[/snip] This is not necessarily true. It would depend on which CEO was asked this question. If a CEO becomes diminished by responding to this question, then he/she should not be the CEO. If the decision was made to use WebDNA, then the CEO would stand by that decision and might even tout the decision as a cost saving measure. The problem is getting the CEO to buy WebDNA in the first place. If the CEO is from a very successful company, I think just mentioning the name WebDNA in itself would give others the idea that they should look into it. Anyways, we can go on and on with the Pros and Cons of using WebDNA, but I can tell you that on a personal level, I would never be diminished telling anyone that I used WebDNA. In fact, when I am asked, the response I receive is mostly intrigue and some have even claimed that they knew about WebDNA, even though I know they never heard of it. Why do they do this, because they did not want others to think that they did not know about the latest technology especially something as powerful as WebDNA. ;-) Sal D'Anna -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On Behalf Of Paul Uttermohlen Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:45 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Page-Execution-Timer...PHP vs WebDNA Dan, Sal, It is simple. It is the lemming effect: if everyone else is using it, I must use it to be like everyone else. Follow where everyone else is going to be where everyone else is. Corporate America thrives on this philosophy. Well, they don't thrive because of it, but perhaps they thrive in spite of it. You've heard it verbalized in ways such as "Well, no body has ever been fired for hiring IBM..." Aside from that just simply not being true it almost never results in a superior solution. It results in a solution that is "just as good as," "not as bad as" or in far too many cases a complete failure. Since companies don't tend to publicize their failures you seldom hear about such things. People want to use PHP instead of WebDNA because more people use PHP than WebDNA -- far, far more people. That volume of available developers keeps your customers from being too dependant upon you -- or at least they think so. That name recognition gives them comfort. When other CEO's ask that CEO what his website infrastructure runs on, if he can say "Microsoft" or something else that the other person recognizes (PHP is becoming more widely recognized among non-techies) he has retained his level of corporate dignity. If he says "WebDNA" and they say "huh?" Then he becomes diminished. It has nothing to do with which is better, but rather which is perceived as being better -- Marketing. My favorite example of this is one of the world's largest software companies which is widely known as routinely delivering seriously flawed software to consumers and businesses by making them believe that it is the best available, that they need it to work effectively with others, and that crashes and rebooting their machine is just a routine way to clear any problems that arise. For those of you who have not yet muttered "microsoft" please let the rest of us know what you are using. The elapsed time comparison is a great one. About 4 years ago I did a comparison of PHP and visual basic. Look at [date]. The simplest things in WebDNA are convoluted in other development environments. For us slower people, by the time we get done setting all the international variables and formatting, time zones, etc. for just displaying the date in VB, the date has changed. You are much smarter to use PHP than VB. You are much more productive to use WebDNA than PHP. But then there is that whole flat file vs. relational database performance matter .... And then there's the cost of PHP vs. WebDNA.... Paul On 1/17/04 11:21 AM, "Dan Strong"
wrote: >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? > $$$ > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:16:52 -0800 > "Sal" wrote: >>> From page: >> >> http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2003/Dec/03/page-execution-timer >> >> > function timer($finish = false){ >> static $start_frac_sec, $start_sec, $end_frac_sec, $end_sec; >> if($finish){ >> list($end_frac_sec,$end_sec) = explode(" ", microtime()); >> echo 'This page took about ' . >> round( >> ( >> ($end_sec - $start_sec) >> + ($end_frac_sec - $start_frac_sec) >> ), >> 4) . ' seconds to generate.
\n'; >> }else{ >> list($start_frac_sec,$start_sec) = explode(" ", microtime()); >> } >> } >> ?> >> >> >> wtf was all that wasted code? in webdna: >> at bottom of page: >> this page took [format .4f][math][elapsedtime]/60[/math][/format] seconds to >> generate. >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? >> by Amazing BrianB on 5-Dec-2003 8:42pm est >> >> Good question Brian, too bad no one responded. ;-) >> >> Sal D'Anna >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com > http://www.SearchBoise.com > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Hi Paul, I know that this debate has been done many times on this list. The main reason for the post was to show an example between PHP code and WebDNA code. These types of comparisons are a benefit to the WebDNA community. [snip] But then there is that whole flat file vs. relational database performance matter[/snip] Very soon WebDNA will have built-in support for MySQL so this will no longer be an issue. [snip] When other CEO's ask that CEO what his website infrastructure runs on, if he can say "Microsoft" or something else that the other person recognizes (PHP is becoming more widely recognized among non-techies) he has retained his level of corporate dignity. If he says "WebDNA" and they say "huh?" Then he becomes diminished.[/snip] This is not necessarily true. It would depend on which CEO was asked this question. If a CEO becomes diminished by responding to this question, then he/she should not be the CEO. If the decision was made to use WebDNA, then the CEO would stand by that decision and might even tout the decision as a cost saving measure. The problem is getting the CEO to buy WebDNA in the first place. If the CEO is from a very successful company, I think just mentioning the name WebDNA in itself would give others the idea that they should look into it. Anyways, we can go on and on with the Pros and Cons of using WebDNA, but I can tell you that on a personal level, I would never be diminished telling anyone that I used WebDNA. In fact, when I am asked, the response I receive is mostly intrigue and some have even claimed that they knew about WebDNA, even though I know they never heard of it. Why do they do this, because they did not want others to think that they did not know about the latest technology especially something as powerful as WebDNA. ;-) Sal D'Anna -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On Behalf Of Paul Uttermohlen Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:45 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Page-Execution-Timer...PHP vs WebDNA Dan, Sal, It is simple. It is the lemming effect: if everyone else is using it, I must use it to be like everyone else. Follow where everyone else is going to be where everyone else is. Corporate America thrives on this philosophy. Well, they don't thrive because of it, but perhaps they thrive in spite of it. You've heard it verbalized in ways such as "Well, no body has ever been fired for hiring IBM..." Aside from that just simply not being true it almost never results in a superior solution. It results in a solution that is "just as good as," "not as bad as" or in far too many cases a complete failure. Since companies don't tend to publicize their failures you seldom hear about such things. People want to use PHP instead of WebDNA because more people use PHP than WebDNA -- far, far more people. That volume of available developers keeps your customers from being too dependant upon you -- or at least they think so. That name recognition gives them comfort. When other CEO's ask that CEO what his website infrastructure runs on, if he can say "Microsoft" or something else that the other person recognizes (PHP is becoming more widely recognized among non-techies) he has retained his level of corporate dignity. If he says "WebDNA" and they say "huh?" Then he becomes diminished. It has nothing to do with which is better, but rather which is perceived as being better -- Marketing. My favorite example of this is one of the world's largest software companies which is widely known as routinely delivering seriously flawed software to consumers and businesses by making them believe that it is the best available, that they need it to work effectively with others, and that crashes and rebooting their machine is just a routine way to clear any problems that arise. For those of you who have not yet muttered "microsoft" please let the rest of us know what you are using. The elapsed time comparison is a great one. About 4 years ago I did a comparison of PHP and visual basic. Look at [date]. The simplest things in WebDNA are convoluted in other development environments. For us slower people, by the time we get done setting all the international variables and formatting, time zones, etc. for just displaying the date in VB, the date has changed. You are much smarter to use PHP than VB. You are much more productive to use WebDNA than PHP. But then there is that whole flat file vs. relational database performance matter .... And then there's the cost of PHP vs. WebDNA.... Paul On 1/17/04 11:21 AM, "Dan Strong" wrote: >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? > $$$ > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:16:52 -0800 > "Sal" wrote: >>> From page: >> >> http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2003/Dec/03/page-execution-timer >> >> > function timer($finish = false){ >> static $start_frac_sec, $start_sec, $end_frac_sec, $end_sec; >> if($finish){ >> list($end_frac_sec,$end_sec) = explode(" ", microtime()); >> echo 'This page took about ' . >> round( >> ( >> ($end_sec - $start_sec) >> + ($end_frac_sec - $start_frac_sec) >> ), >> 4) . ' seconds to generate.
\n'; >> }else{ >> list($start_frac_sec,$start_sec) = explode(" ", microtime()); >> } >> } >> ?> >> >> >> wtf was all that wasted code? in webdna: >> at bottom of page: >> this page took [format .4f][math][elapsedtime]/60[/math][/format] seconds to >> generate. >> What is it about PHP that makes people want to use it??? >> by Amazing BrianB on 5-Dec-2003 8:42pm est >> >> Good question Brian, too bad no one responded. ;-) >> >> Sal D'Anna >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.StrongGraphicDesign.com > http://www.SearchBoise.com > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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