Re: WebDNA for Dummies
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2004
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numero = 56601
interpreted = N
texte = >I do agree with Ken that the "let's go team" rah-rah does come up >every so often. However, it once was once or twice a year where now >it seems to be once or twice a month. Perhaps that is a sign that >more people are becomming active in this list and that more people >are wanting and willing to help get some things accomplished. I think it is a sign that more people WANT some things and are willing to express their wants on the list, but unfortunately I do not agree that these people will do anything (in terms of real work) to get what they want. I think they are (in many cases) hoping that someone else will do the work so they can benefit from it with as little contribution of their own as possible. >Help/pay/support from SMSI would be great, but if kids can build >hundreds of websites for online gaming communities with their time >alone, why can't one of us build some of these projects on our time? Kids have nothing better to do with their time but play on computers. Those who mature faster or like to go beyond game playing are still kids, which means they still have plenty of time to learn how to build web sites. They do not have to work 8+ hours a day to earn money to support their parents or siblings, nor do they have to cook or clean or shop or do any number of tasks that adults must do, so they have loads of time to invest in this activity. If someone else would just give me the money I need to support my family, I would have lots of time to 'play' as well ... and if that money were guaranteed for several years I would certainly consider building all these cool webdna sites and tools and write books -- just because I love webdna coding! In other words, it would be great to be a kid again, especially with the webdna coding experience I have accumulated by this time. But I need to earn a living, and this prevents me from doing other things that may be more fun, such as writing a "WebDNA for Dummies" book. >Some have, and they don't get used. I like the site >http://www.webcatdev.net/. Great little resource center that hasn't >had a new code snippet posted nor forum post posted since late '03. >And that's a shame..... This is probably the best indicator of why all these new ideas continually fail. Even when someone *does* make a genuine effort to provide a valuable service, it is not supported or used by most of us. And I think there is a very good reason for this: MY current belief is that most of us do NOT need a new book or web site or other new resource. For those of us who are past the beginner stage, the only time it gets frustrating for us is when we do not have a quick answer to a coding problem we have discovered ... and the docs fail to properly explain why we are having the problem. But that's what this list is for, and it is very good at helping us quickly when we actually need it. This is why I think that even though these ideas are all great, we really do not need more resources than what we already have right now. They are simply things that we dream of having "in a perfect world". I fully agree that additional resources would come in handy at times, but doing free webdna projects takes time out of our own individual lives, and my gut feeling is that most of us prefer to spend our free time with our families or friends, or by doing other 'real life' activities -- instead of spending even more time on webdna. Just my thoughts on the matter ... :) -- Kenneth Grome WebDNA Programmer Outsource Service Provider Phone: +6332 255-6591 ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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>I do agree with Ken that the "let's go team" rah-rah does come up >every so often. However, it once was once or twice a year where now >it seems to be once or twice a month. Perhaps that is a sign that >more people are becomming active in this list and that more people >are wanting and willing to help get some things accomplished. I think it is a sign that more people WANT some things and are willing to express their wants on the list, but unfortunately I do not agree that these people will do anything (in terms of real work) to get what they want. I think they are (in many cases) hoping that someone else will do the work so they can benefit from it with as little contribution of their own as possible. >Help/pay/support from SMSI would be great, but if kids can build >hundreds of websites for online gaming communities with their time >alone, why can't one of us build some of these projects on our time? Kids have nothing better to do with their time but play on computers. Those who mature faster or like to go beyond game playing are still kids, which means they still have plenty of time to learn how to build web sites. They do not have to work 8+ hours a day to earn money to support their parents or siblings, nor do they have to cook or clean or shop or do any number of tasks that adults must do, so they have loads of time to invest in this activity. If someone else would just give me the money I need to support my family, I would have lots of time to 'play' as well ... and if that money were guaranteed for several years I would certainly consider building all these cool webdna sites and tools and write books -- just because I love webdna coding! In other words, it would be great to be a kid again, especially with the webdna coding experience I have accumulated by this time. But I need to earn a living, and this prevents me from doing other things that may be more fun, such as writing a "WebDNA for Dummies" book. >Some have, and they don't get used. I like the site >http://www.webcatdev.net/. Great little resource center that hasn't >had a new code snippet posted nor forum post posted since late '03. >And that's a shame..... This is probably the best indicator of why all these new ideas continually fail. Even when someone *does* make a genuine effort to provide a valuable service, it is not supported or used by most of us. And I think there is a very good reason for this: MY current belief is that most of us do NOT need a new book or web site or other new resource. For those of us who are past the beginner stage, the only time it gets frustrating for us is when we do not have a quick answer to a coding problem we have discovered ... and the docs fail to properly explain why we are having the problem. But that's what this list is for, and it is very good at helping us quickly when we actually need it. This is why I think that even though these ideas are all great, we really do not need more resources than what we already have right now. They are simply things that we dream of having "in a perfect world". I fully agree that additional resources would come in handy at times, but doing free webdna projects takes time out of our own individual lives, and my gut feeling is that most of us prefer to spend our free time with our families or friends, or by doing other 'real life' activities -- instead of spending even more time on webdna. Just my thoughts on the matter ... :) -- Kenneth Grome WebDNA Programmer Outsource Service Provider Phone: +6332 255-6591 ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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