Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(

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texte = Timur, I agree with you on the point of utilizing WebDNA through their wireless channel. I was trying to get this going when I was there but it just wasn't the right time. Maybe now with the recent Verizon deal and the stock price on the rise, SMSI might take another look at WebDNA for the wireless channel. It wouldn't take too much effort to roll something out rather quickly. One of my ideas was to start with something simple like a WebDNA version of their QuickLink Phonebook product. Since most cell phones store about 300 numbers, the WebDNA QuickLink Phonebook could store unlimited phone numbers and provide a backup in case the phone gets lost or stolen. Also, when the user clicks on the phone number, it will tell them to click talk to dial the number just as if it was on the phone so they don't even have to dial. You can see an example by browsing with your phone to http://66.135.39.97/contact.wml Sal D'Anna (619)602-6647 -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On Behalf Of Timur Ruban Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:59 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( Gary, I would have to disagree on that one - the biggest advantage of WebDNA over ColdFusion and alike is that it's a combination of language and in-memory database which allows it to be totally self-sufficient or running on top of larger RDBMS. I think SMSI be stressing that as well as the fact that unlike with PHP and MySQL you can migrate a website, e-store or even an extranet on a memory stick and deploy in the matter of minutes (that's between different computers and platforms) - something that no other standard environment can do. Personally, I think the only reason why ColdFusion survived as far is because Macromedia bought them and started sticking everywhere possible and impossible. Not a bad product, but definitely was not a match to the big guns of asp, jsp or php. Now, what would be really interesting if SMSI would take its existing knowledge of WAP and mobile application market and expand WebDNA functionality for better and more advanced support in that area - definitely a major weakness among other middleware environments. And considering that in-memory performance of WebDNA applications is in fact often better then that of Oracle or Microsoft SQL, in such multi-user performance-demanding environment as cellular telephony content, WebDNA might become a major success. Tim Timur Ruban Executive VP FRONTEX 705 North Mountain Road Newington, CT 06111 1-888-FRONTEX x701 -----Original Message----- From: Gary Krockover To: "WebDNA Talk" Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:49:03 -0600 Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > I think the language should be free and perhaps even open-sourced while > canned solutions (such as store-builder, the features of the ISP > edition, > IDE Lab, etc) should be sold for profit by SMSI. Unless SMSI becomes a > Macromedia or a Microsoft*, this is the only way that WebDNA becomes > more > than for a niche market, IMHO. > > * Becomes a larger, well known company by name recognition so that > WebDNA > sells on reputation alone, ala Cold Fusion. Again, IMHO. > > But that's easy for me to say obviously, it's the folks at SMSI that > have > invested how much $ and time to develop and support the product. Sure, > they want a ROI. At least if you open-sourced it, there would be no > more > support costs for WebDNA (but for the developed solutions) and the > developers at SMSI could concentrate on writing various packaged > solutions > written in WebDNA instead of worrying about updates to the language > itself. Also, if open-sourced, the problem with running the canned > solutions on WebDNA servers only becomes non-issue as everyone would > have > access and the ability to get a WebDNA server up and running. > > One can dream at least. > > I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just last > week > from a prospective client. > > GK > > At 11:02 AM 12/6/2004, you wrote: > >I Think I suggested the same thing a few years ago. The fact is that > SMI > >puts a lot of man hours into development and they simply can't afford > to > >give the language away for free. I understand that entirely and I > don't > >hold it against them. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
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  17. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( "Timur Ruban" 2004)
  18. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Matthew A Perosi 2004)
  19. How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Gary Krockover 2004)
Timur, I agree with you on the point of utilizing WebDNA through their wireless channel. I was trying to get this going when I was there but it just wasn't the right time. Maybe now with the recent Verizon deal and the stock price on the rise, SMSI might take another look at WebDNA for the wireless channel. It wouldn't take too much effort to roll something out rather quickly. One of my ideas was to start with something simple like a WebDNA version of their QuickLink Phonebook product. Since most cell phones store about 300 numbers, the WebDNA QuickLink Phonebook could store unlimited phone numbers and provide a backup in case the phone gets lost or stolen. Also, when the user clicks on the phone number, it will tell them to click talk to dial the number just as if it was on the phone so they don't even have to dial. You can see an example by browsing with your phone to http://66.135.39.97/contact.wml Sal D'Anna (619)602-6647 -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On Behalf Of Timur Ruban Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:59 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( Gary, I would have to disagree on that one - the biggest advantage of WebDNA over ColdFusion and alike is that it's a combination of language and in-memory database which allows it to be totally self-sufficient or running on top of larger RDBMS. I think SMSI be stressing that as well as the fact that unlike with PHP and MySQL you can migrate a website, e-store or even an extranet on a memory stick and deploy in the matter of minutes (that's between different computers and platforms) - something that no other standard environment can do. Personally, I think the only reason why ColdFusion survived as far is because Macromedia bought them and started sticking everywhere possible and impossible. Not a bad product, but definitely was not a match to the big guns of asp, jsp or php. Now, what would be really interesting if SMSI would take its existing knowledge of WAP and mobile application market and expand WebDNA functionality for better and more advanced support in that area - definitely a major weakness among other middleware environments. And considering that in-memory performance of WebDNA applications is in fact often better then that of Oracle or Microsoft SQL, in such multi-user performance-demanding environment as cellular telephony content, WebDNA might become a major success. Tim Timur Ruban Executive VP FRONTEX 705 North Mountain Road Newington, CT 06111 1-888-FRONTEX x701 -----Original Message----- From: Gary Krockover To: "WebDNA Talk" Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:49:03 -0600 Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > I think the language should be free and perhaps even open-sourced while > canned solutions (such as store-builder, the features of the ISP > edition, > IDE Lab, etc) should be sold for profit by SMSI. Unless SMSI becomes a > Macromedia or a Microsoft*, this is the only way that WebDNA becomes > more > than for a niche market, IMHO. > > * Becomes a larger, well known company by name recognition so that > WebDNA > sells on reputation alone, ala Cold Fusion. Again, IMHO. > > But that's easy for me to say obviously, it's the folks at SMSI that > have > invested how much $ and time to develop and support the product. Sure, > they want a ROI. At least if you open-sourced it, there would be no > more > support costs for WebDNA (but for the developed solutions) and the > developers at SMSI could concentrate on writing various packaged > solutions > written in WebDNA instead of worrying about updates to the language > itself. Also, if open-sourced, the problem with running the canned > solutions on WebDNA servers only becomes non-issue as everyone would > have > access and the ability to get a WebDNA server up and running. > > One can dream at least. > > I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just last > week > from a prospective client. > > GK > > At 11:02 AM 12/6/2004, you wrote: > >I Think I suggested the same thing a few years ago. The fact is that > SMI > >puts a lot of man hours into development and they simply can't afford > to > >give the language away for free. I understand that entirely and I > don't > >hold it against them. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ "Sal D'Anna"

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