Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(
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texte = Sal, right on! I would take it beyond - look for instance at totally useless and overpriced Intranet edition. Building a WAP customization interface would make this product into a suddenly interesting proposition for numerous companies where people could access their calendars and company events over cell phones/pda's... especially if you would hve some sort of enhancement functionality that, installed on the cell phone or another portable device, would allow to offer more then a conventional WAP browser. This is an area where Microsoft does not have the grip on the world yet on either front end or the middleware and a chance for SMSI to establish solid presence. And if they want to bring up their original "digital librarian" hat, offering customized WAP to In-memory dynamic data publishing solution , it would open doors for them into such verticals as Medical (docs and RNs running around with their little WAP-enabled devices), Security, Stock market (brokers), etc... BTW, talking about security - do we know a history of anyone succesfully trying to hack webdna-written solutions? While I know that we are enjoying the reverse side of being unknown (check out those little sites around the world teaching you how to break into ASP, MS SQL, Cold Fusion, etc based sites) is there anything we should be aware of when setting up our sites? Besides changing default password into WebDNA admin :) tim Timur Ruban Executive VP FRONTEX 705 North Mountain Road Newington, CT 06111 1-888-FRONTEX x701 -----Original Message----- From: "Sal D'Anna"
To: "WebDNA Talk" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:40:46 -0800 Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > Timur, > > I agree with you on the point of utilizing WebDNA through their > wireless > channel. I was trying to get this going when I was there but it just > wasn't > the right time. Maybe now with the recent Verizon deal and the stock > price > on the rise, SMSI might take another look at WebDNA for the wireless > channel. > > It wouldn't take too much effort to roll something out rather quickly. > One > of my ideas was to start with something simple like a WebDNA version of > their QuickLink Phonebook product. Since most cell phones store about > 300 > numbers, the WebDNA QuickLink Phonebook could store unlimited phone > numbers > and provide a backup in case the phone gets lost or stolen. Also, when > the > user clicks on the phone number, it will tell them to click talk to > dial the > number just as if it was on the phone so they don't even have to dial. > > You can see an example by browsing with your phone to > http://66.135.39.97/contact.wml > > Sal D'Anna > (619)602-6647 > > -----Original Message----- > From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On Behalf Of > Timur Ruban > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:59 AM > To: WebDNA Talk > Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > > Gary, > I would have to disagree on that one - the biggest advantage of WebDNA > over > ColdFusion and alike is that it's a combination of language and > in-memory > database which allows it to be totally self-sufficient or running on > top of > larger RDBMS. I think SMSI be stressing that as well as the fact that > unlike with PHP and MySQL you can migrate a website, e-store or even an > extranet on a memory stick and deploy in the matter of minutes (that's > between different computers and platforms) - something that no other > standard environment can do. > > Personally, I think the only reason why ColdFusion survived as far is > because Macromedia bought them and started sticking everywhere possible > and > impossible. Not a bad product, but definitely was not a match to the > big > guns of asp, jsp or php. > > Now, what would be really interesting if SMSI would take its existing > knowledge of WAP and mobile application market and expand WebDNA > functionality for better and more advanced support in that area - > definitely > > a major weakness among other middleware environments. And considering > that > in-memory performance of WebDNA applications is in fact often better > then > that of Oracle or Microsoft SQL, in such multi-user > performance-demanding > environment as cellular telephony content, WebDNA might become a major > success. > > Tim > > > Timur Ruban > Executive VP > FRONTEX > 705 North Mountain Road > Newington, CT 06111 > 1-888-FRONTEX x701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Krockover > To: "WebDNA Talk" > Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:49:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > > > I think the language should be free and perhaps even open-sourced > while > > canned solutions (such as store-builder, the features of the ISP > > edition, > > IDE Lab, etc) should be sold for profit by SMSI. Unless SMSI becomes > a > > Macromedia or a Microsoft*, this is the only way that WebDNA becomes > > more > > than for a niche market, IMHO. > > > > * Becomes a larger, well known company by name recognition so that > > WebDNA > > sells on reputation alone, ala Cold Fusion. Again, IMHO. > > > > But that's easy for me to say obviously, it's the folks at SMSI that > > have > > invested how much $ and time to develop and support the product. > Sure, > > they want a ROI. At least if you open-sourced it, there would be no > > more > > support costs for WebDNA (but for the developed solutions) and the > > developers at SMSI could concentrate on writing various packaged > > solutions > > written in WebDNA instead of worrying about updates to the language > > itself. Also, if open-sourced, the problem with running the canned > > solutions on WebDNA servers only becomes non-issue as everyone would > > have > > access and the ability to get a WebDNA server up and running. > > > > One can dream at least. > > > > I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just > last > > week > > from a prospective client. > > > > GK > > > > At 11:02 AM 12/6/2004, you wrote: > > >I Think I suggested the same thing a few years ago. The fact is > that > > SMI > > >puts a lot of man hours into development and they simply can't > afford > > to > > >give the language away for free. I understand that entirely and I > > don't > > >hold it against them. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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Sal, right on! I would take it beyond - look for instance at totally useless and overpriced Intranet edition. Building a WAP customization interface would make this product into a suddenly interesting proposition for numerous companies where people could access their calendars and company events over cell phones/pda's... especially if you would hve some sort of enhancement functionality that, installed on the cell phone or another portable device, would allow to offer more then a conventional WAP browser. This is an area where Microsoft does not have the grip on the world yet on either front end or the middleware and a chance for SMSI to establish solid presence. And if they want to bring up their original "digital librarian" hat, offering customized WAP to In-memory dynamic data publishing solution , it would open doors for them into such verticals as Medical (docs and RNs running around with their little WAP-enabled devices), Security, Stock market (brokers), etc... BTW, talking about security - do we know a history of anyone succesfully trying to hack webdna-written solutions? While I know that we are enjoying the reverse side of being unknown (check out those little sites around the world teaching you how to break into ASP, MS SQL, Cold Fusion, etc based sites) is there anything we should be aware of when setting up our sites? Besides changing default password into WebDNA admin :) tim Timur Ruban Executive VP FRONTEX 705 North Mountain Road Newington, CT 06111 1-888-FRONTEX x701 -----Original Message----- From: "Sal D'Anna" To: "WebDNA Talk" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:40:46 -0800 Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > Timur, > > I agree with you on the point of utilizing WebDNA through their > wireless > channel. I was trying to get this going when I was there but it just > wasn't > the right time. Maybe now with the recent Verizon deal and the stock > price > on the rise, SMSI might take another look at WebDNA for the wireless > channel. > > It wouldn't take too much effort to roll something out rather quickly. > One > of my ideas was to start with something simple like a WebDNA version of > their QuickLink Phonebook product. Since most cell phones store about > 300 > numbers, the WebDNA QuickLink Phonebook could store unlimited phone > numbers > and provide a backup in case the phone gets lost or stolen. Also, when > the > user clicks on the phone number, it will tell them to click talk to > dial the > number just as if it was on the phone so they don't even have to dial. > > You can see an example by browsing with your phone to > http://66.135.39.97/contact.wml > > Sal D'Anna > (619)602-6647 > > -----Original Message----- > From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On Behalf Of > Timur Ruban > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:59 AM > To: WebDNA Talk > Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > > Gary, > I would have to disagree on that one - the biggest advantage of WebDNA > over > ColdFusion and alike is that it's a combination of language and > in-memory > database which allows it to be totally self-sufficient or running on > top of > larger RDBMS. I think SMSI be stressing that as well as the fact that > unlike with PHP and MySQL you can migrate a website, e-store or even an > extranet on a memory stick and deploy in the matter of minutes (that's > between different computers and platforms) - something that no other > standard environment can do. > > Personally, I think the only reason why ColdFusion survived as far is > because Macromedia bought them and started sticking everywhere possible > and > impossible. Not a bad product, but definitely was not a match to the > big > guns of asp, jsp or php. > > Now, what would be really interesting if SMSI would take its existing > knowledge of WAP and mobile application market and expand WebDNA > functionality for better and more advanced support in that area - > definitely > > a major weakness among other middleware environments. And considering > that > in-memory performance of WebDNA applications is in fact often better > then > that of Oracle or Microsoft SQL, in such multi-user > performance-demanding > environment as cellular telephony content, WebDNA might become a major > success. > > Tim > > > Timur Ruban > Executive VP > FRONTEX > 705 North Mountain Road > Newington, CT 06111 > 1-888-FRONTEX x701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Krockover > To: "WebDNA Talk" > Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:49:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( > > > I think the language should be free and perhaps even open-sourced > while > > canned solutions (such as store-builder, the features of the ISP > > edition, > > IDE Lab, etc) should be sold for profit by SMSI. Unless SMSI becomes > a > > Macromedia or a Microsoft*, this is the only way that WebDNA becomes > > more > > than for a niche market, IMHO. > > > > * Becomes a larger, well known company by name recognition so that > > WebDNA > > sells on reputation alone, ala Cold Fusion. Again, IMHO. > > > > But that's easy for me to say obviously, it's the folks at SMSI that > > have > > invested how much $ and time to develop and support the product. > Sure, > > they want a ROI. At least if you open-sourced it, there would be no > > more > > support costs for WebDNA (but for the developed solutions) and the > > developers at SMSI could concentrate on writing various packaged > > solutions > > written in WebDNA instead of worrying about updates to the language > > itself. Also, if open-sourced, the problem with running the canned > > solutions on WebDNA servers only becomes non-issue as everyone would > > have > > access and the ability to get a WebDNA server up and running. > > > > One can dream at least. > > > > I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just > last > > week > > from a prospective client. > > > > GK > > > > At 11:02 AM 12/6/2004, you wrote: > > >I Think I suggested the same thing a few years ago. The fact is > that > > SMI > > >puts a lot of man hours into development and they simply can't > afford > > to > > >give the language away for free. I understand that entirely and I > > don't > > >hold it against them. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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