Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(

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2004


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texte = I Think I suggested the same thing a few years ago.  The fact is that SMI puts a lot of man hours into development and they simply can't afford to give the language away for free.  I understand that entirely and I don't hold it against them.

However you just gave me another thought that SMI might want to consider.  If SMI starts to split their products for different markets they might want to consider creating a free version that is very stripped down in functions.  Perhaps something that supports showif, hideif, text and math variables, sendmail and a few other simple tags.  Honestly all of my web site customers use the sendmail tag now to submit forms rather than having a long perl or php script.

Maybe SMI should look at the most commonly used scripts in the php and perl world and create a WebCatEngine designed to compete with those directly. We all know that once you get hooked on this language you want to do more.

I suppose my point is that the development fee for old tags like the ones I've mentioned should have been recouped by now, so why not let ISPs install those script engines for free?

As for a book, I'd be willing to write one on my own if I had the time.  But even after 5 years of development I don't feel I'm qualified to write anything more than a "dummies" book.

Matt Perosi
Psi PRime, Inc.


Kaiwi, Marc wrote:
Personally I think the approach should be to plan for the long term (or) future growth of the WebDNA "language" by creating two separate products entirely. A (low cost, even free version) fully functioning WebDNA engine to support, develop and distribute the "language" itself (bait) and a separate commerce package for developing commercial products or solutions and supporting the development, (hook).Sounds silly I know, but I don't see any other options for sustaining the language in the long run. Seems to be the current trend toward developing solutions around widely distributed and available solutions (like PHP/MySQL, for example) are gaining in popularity.hahaha ... but then again, I'm the guy who's still waiting for Apple to dominate the PC market?!? : c)-----Original Message-----From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf OfTimur RubanSent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:30 AMTo: WebDNA TalkSubject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(Personally, I think it's a positioning issue that SmithMicro needs to address (and maybe hire a true Branding/Marketing guru).  Is this a middleware? An in-memory database?  A development platform?  An application with scripting capabilities?  I am sure that all of you, as I am, have to deal daily with this when offering clients solutions on the platform - resellers/developers' efforts are not enough though to get the product on the industry lists...But then again - why are you worried?  Less competition for you to take over the client or hack the product once everything is developed :))  Everything in this world has its pros and cons.Cheers,TimTimur RubanExecutive VPFRONTEX705 North Mountain RoadNewington, CT 061111-888-FRONTEX x701-----Original Message-----From: Gary Krockover <gary@garykrockover.com>To: "WebDNA Talk" <WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:31:57 -0600Subject: How long until WebDNA makes the list?  :(  
First, I looked for it here:http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.htmlwhich led to this more comprehensive list here:http://people.ku.edu/~nkinners/LangList/Extras/langlist.htmHow long until I can buy the book and find WebDNA on the list ofcomputer languages?:(Happy Monday all!GK-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to  the mailing list <WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com>.To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <WebDNA-Talk-off@talk.smithmicro.com>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to<WebDNA-Talk-digest@talk.smithmicro.com>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/    
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    I Think I suggested the same thing a few years ago.  The fact is thatSMI puts a lot of man hours into development and they simply can'tafford to give the language away for free.  I understand that entirelyand I don't hold it against them.

However you just gave me another thought that SMI might want toconsider.  If SMI starts to split their products for different marketsthey might want to consider creating a free version that is verystripped down in functions.  Perhaps something that supports showif,hideif, text and math variables, sendmail and a few other simple tags. Honestly all of my web site customers use the sendmail tag now tosubmit forms rather than having a long perl or php script.

Maybe SMI should look at the most commonly used scripts in the php andperl world and create a WebCatEngine designed to compete with thosedirectly. We all know that once you get hooked on this language youwant to do more.

I suppose my point is that the development fee for old tags like theones I've mentioned should have been recouped by now, so why not letISPs install those script engines for free?

As for a book, I'd be willing to write one on my own if I had thetime.  But even after 5 years of development I don't feel I'm qualifiedto write anything more than a "dummies" book.

Matt Perosi
Psi PRime, Inc.


Kaiwi, Marc wrote:

  
Personally I think the approach should be to plan for the long term (or) future growth of the WebDNA "language" by creating two separate products entirely. A (low cost, even free version) fully functioning WebDNA engine to support, develop and distribute the "language" itself (bait) and a separate commerce package for developing commercial products or solutions and supporting the development, (hook).Sounds silly I know, but I don't see any other options for sustaining the language in the long run. Seems to be the current trend toward developing solutions around widely distributed and available solutions (like PHP/MySQL, for example) are gaining in popularity.hahaha ... but then again, I'm the guy who's still waiting for Apple to dominate the PC market?!? : c)-----Original Message-----From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf OfTimur RubanSent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:30 AMTo: WebDNA TalkSubject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(Personally, I think it's a positioning issue that SmithMicro needs to address (and maybe hire a true Branding/Marketing guru).  Is this a middleware? An in-memory database?  A development platform?  An application with scripting capabilities?  I am sure that all of you, as I am, have to deal daily with this when offering clients solutions on the platform - resellers/developers' efforts are not enough though to get the product on the industry lists...But then again - why are you worried?  Less competition for you to take over the client or hack the product once everything is developed :))  Everything in this world has its pros and cons.Cheers,TimTimur RubanExecutive VPFRONTEX705 North Mountain RoadNewington, CT 061111-888-FRONTEX x701-----Original Message-----From: Gary Krockover <gary@garykrockover.com>To: "WebDNA Talk" <WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com>Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:31:57 -0600Subject: How long until WebDNA makes the list?  :(  
  
    
First, I looked for it here:http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.htmlwhich led to this more comprehensive list here:http://people.ku.edu/~nkinners/LangList/Extras/langlist.htmHow long until I can buy the book and find WebDNA on the list ofcomputer languages?:(Happy Monday all!GK-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to  the mailing list <WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com>.To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <WebDNA-Talk-off@talk.smithmicro.com>To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to<WebDNA-Talk-digest@talk.smithmicro.com>Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/    
  
  
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