Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(

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2004


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texte = Just as a side note: MySQL is not for free anymore if you use for commer= cial business . They have changed their license some time ago. Nitai -- Redakto - Content Management that simply works Content Management & eBusiness Systems ComputerOil=C2=AE AG Dammstrasse 7 5400 Baden / Switzerland Telefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66 info@computeroil.com http://computeroil.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Grome To: WebDNA Talk Sent: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:02:25 +0100 Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list=3F :( > >I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just=20 > >last week from a prospective client. >=20 >=20 > Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition=3F >=20 > If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have=20 > done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote,=20 > which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing= =20 > more than selling the job and delivering it to your client. >=20 > My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the=20 > competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company=20 > working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines. >=20 > I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of=20 > course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who= =20 > will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap=20 > overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain=20 > competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using=20 > outsourcing these days ... >=20 > About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu= =20 > City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in=20 > WebDNA for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it=20 > never will if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost=20 > everyone wants PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are=20 > installed on virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients=20 > want non Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that= =20 > are available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the=20 > Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them. >=20 > My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL= =20 > (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to=20 > teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because=20 > he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful.=20 > They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use=20 > WebDNA mostly in-house. >=20 > I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no= =20 > desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful=20 > version that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is=20 > doing. PHP and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based=20 > languages and more and more of the programming is moving offshore. >=20 > If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say! >=20 > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.webdna.net >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ Associated Messages, from the most recent to the oldest:

    
  1. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( nitai@computeroil.com 2004)
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  3. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( John Peacock 2004)
  4. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( "Kaiwi, Marc" 2004)
  5. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( nitai@computeroil.com 2004)
  6. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( "Timur Ruban" 2004)
  7. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( "Sal D'Anna" 2004)
  8. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Alain Russell 2004)
  9. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Kenneth Grome 2004)
  10. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( "Timur Ruban" 2004)
  11. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Gary Krockover 2004)
  12. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Matthew A Perosi 2004)
  13. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Phil Herring 2004)
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  16. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Larry Hewitt 2004)
  17. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( "Timur Ruban" 2004)
  18. Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Matthew A Perosi 2004)
  19. How long until WebDNA makes the list? :( ( Gary Krockover 2004)
Just as a side note: MySQL is not for free anymore if you use for commer= cial business . They have changed their license some time ago. Nitai -- Redakto - Content Management that simply works Content Management & eBusiness Systems ComputerOil=C2=AE AG Dammstrasse 7 5400 Baden / Switzerland Telefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66 info@computeroil.com http://computeroil.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Grome To: WebDNA Talk Sent: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:02:25 +0100 Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list=3F :( > >I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just=20 > >last week from a prospective client. >=20 >=20 > Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition=3F >=20 > If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have=20 > done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote,=20 > which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing= =20 > more than selling the job and delivering it to your client. >=20 > My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the=20 > competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company=20 > working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines. >=20 > I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of=20 > course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who= =20 > will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap=20 > overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain=20 > competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using=20 > outsourcing these days ... >=20 > About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu= =20 > City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in=20 > WebDNA for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it=20 > never will if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost=20 > everyone wants PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are=20 > installed on virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients=20 > want non Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that= =20 > are available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the=20 > Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them. >=20 > My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL= =20 > (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to=20 > teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because=20 > he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful.=20 > They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use=20 > WebDNA mostly in-house. >=20 > I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no= =20 > desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful=20 > version that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is=20 > doing. PHP and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based=20 > languages and more and more of the programming is moving offshore. >=20 > If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say! >=20 > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.webdna.net >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ nitai@computeroil.com

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