Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list? :(
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2004
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texte = Just as a side note: MySQL is not for free anymore if you use for commer=cial business . They have changed their license some time ago.Nitai--Redakto - Content Management that simply worksContent Management & eBusiness SystemsComputerOil=C2=AE AGDammstrasse 75400 Baden / SwitzerlandTelefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66info@computeroil.comhttp://computeroil.com----- Original Message -----From: Kenneth Grome
To: WebDNA Talk Sent: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:02:25 +0100Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list=3F :(> >I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just=20> >last week from a prospective client.>=20>=20> Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition=3F>=20> If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have=20> done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote,=20> which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing==20> more than selling the job and delivering it to your client.>=20> My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the=20> competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company=20> working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines.>=20> I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of=20> course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who==20> will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap=20> overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain=20> competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using=20> outsourcing these days ...>=20> About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu==20> City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in=20> WebDNA for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it=20> never will if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost=20> everyone wants PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are=20> installed on virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients=20> want non Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that==20> are available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the=20> Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them.>=20> My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL==20> (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to=20> teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because=20> he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful.=20> They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use=20> WebDNA mostly in-house.>=20> I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no==20> desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful=20> version that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is=20> doing. PHP and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based=20> languages and more and more of the programming is moving offshore.>=20> If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say!>=20> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.webdna.net>=20>=20>=20> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>=20-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Just as a side note: MySQL is not for free anymore if you use for commer=cial business . They have changed their license some time ago.Nitai--Redakto - Content Management that simply worksContent Management & eBusiness SystemsComputerOil=C2=AE AGDammstrasse 75400 Baden / SwitzerlandTelefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66info@computeroil.comhttp://computeroil.com----- Original Message -----From: Kenneth Grome To: WebDNA Talk Sent: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:02:25 +0100Subject: Re: How long until WebDNA makes the list=3F :(> >I too was bitten by the "we're going with PHP as a solution" just=20> >last week from a prospective client.>=20>=20> Did you do the PHP job then, or did you lose it to your competition=3F>=20> If you had told them that you also do PHP and MySQL, we could have=20> done the programming work for about 1/3 of your client price quote,=20> which means you would have earned 2/3 of the total for doing nothing==20> more than selling the job and delivering it to your client.>=20> My point is simply that you do not have to be "beaten" by the=20> competition when you have your own professional outsourcing company=20> working for you right here in Cebu City, Philippines.>=20> I set up this outsourcing business to make a living over here of=20> course, but also to try to help and support my WebDNA colleagues who==20> will continue to come under greater and greater pressure from cheap=20> overseas programmers. My goal is to help insure that you remain=20> competitive with all the OTHER programming companies using=20> outsourcing these days ...>=20> About three years ago I created a WebDNA Training Center here in Cebu==20> City so I would have plenty of developers thoroughly trained in=20> WebDNA for the time when it became popular. It never has, and it=20> never will if SMSI continues on their current path. Almost=20> everyone wants PHP/MySQL today because both are free and both are=20> installed on virtually every hosting server in the world. Clients=20> want non Microsoft solutions that are cheap, and that work, and that==20> are available everywhere. PHP and MySQL give them this. And the=20> Microsoft lovers want ASP which we also do for them.>=20> My local local programmers do not have to be trained in PHP or MySQL==20> (or ASP) because they already know it from college. But I have to=20> teach them WebDNA (or my head programmer has to teach them because=20> he's a relative expert in it by now too) before they can be useful.=20> They like WebDNA, but since so few of our work asks for it, we use=20> WebDNA mostly in-house.>=20> I don't think WebDNA will ever become mainstream because there is no==20> desire or motivation on the part of SMSI to give away a useful=20> version that's free, yet this is exactly what their competition is=20> doing. PHP and MySQL is coming to dominate all other web-based=20> languages and more and more of the programming is moving offshore.>=20> If you cannot beat them, join them -- that's what I say!>=20> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.webdna.net>=20>=20>=20> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>=20-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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