Re: WebDNA - fun to compare
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2005
It keeps the original formatting.
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texte = I agree with everything that Ken said and just want to point out=20= (again) that MySQL is actually not for free since they have chang= ed their license agreement some time ago. Nitai -- Redakto - Content Management that simply works Content Management & eBusiness Systems ComputerOil=C2=AE AG Dammstrasse 7 5400 Baden / Switzerland Telefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66 info@computeroil.com http://computeroil.com > -----Original Message----- > From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On B= ehalf Of > Kenneth Grome > Sent: Mittwoch, 2. M=C3=A4rz 2005 01:14 > To: WebDNA Talk > Subject: Re: WebDNA - fun to compare > > Sometimes (usually) it's more than just coding time that matter= s to a > client. Most development is in PHP and MySQL these days for se= veral > very good reasons: > > 1- There are literally thousands of pre-existing 'scripts' avai= lable, > many totally free, that save programmers hundreds of hours of t= ime > (take a look at any one of ZenCart, osCommerce or X-Cart for an= > eCommerce implementation that WebDNA *could* have been). > > 2- PHP and MySQL are installed on virtually every web hosting s= erver > in the world, which gives you thousands of choices of a new hos= ting > service when your current one craps out on you. > > 3- PHP and MySQL are free. > > 4- There are literally tens of thousands of programmers who can= build > or fix PHP and MySQL sites, so the client doesn't get tied into= a > rare proprietary solution such as WebDNA. > > Having said this, I still try to steer my clients to WebDNA whe= never > possible, mostly because it's fast and fun for us to use, and i= t > saves the client time and money during development (but costs m= ore > for hosting). > > Unfortunately saving development time and money is the only ben= efit > they get from it, and usually this is not enough to convince th= em. > They have to consider potential hosting problems, potential > abandonment of their hard to find and expensive webdna programm= er, > etc. and sometimes these are more important than saving a few b= ucks > in development. > > The bottom line is that clients don't care how easy it is for Y= OU to > program, they only care about the issues that matter to them, a= nd > this makes webdna undesirable in the majority of cases when com= pared > with the alternatives. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.kengrome.com > > > > > > > >Do you ever monitor other developer's lists just to see what's= going > >on in *their* world? > > > >There's an HTML discussion list that I'm subscribed to and the= y're > >discussion form validation and the passing of form variables i= n PHP. > >They've worked up to glob's of code that looks like a pile of > >spaghetti to me. It's something so simple that it would be <=20= 5 > >lines of WebDNA + 1 line for each form element. > > > >Just wish the word would spread..... > > > >:) > > > >GJK > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list
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I agree with everything that Ken said and just want to point out=20= (again) that MySQL is actually not for free since they have chang= ed their license agreement some time ago. Nitai -- Redakto - Content Management that simply works Content Management & eBusiness Systems ComputerOil=C2=AE AG Dammstrasse 7 5400 Baden / Switzerland Telefon +41 (0)844 44 55 66 info@computeroil.com http://computeroil.com > -----Original Message----- > From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com] On B= ehalf Of > Kenneth Grome > Sent: Mittwoch, 2. M=C3=A4rz 2005 01:14 > To: WebDNA Talk > Subject: Re: WebDNA - fun to compare > > Sometimes (usually) it's more than just coding time that matter= s to a > client. Most development is in PHP and MySQL these days for se= veral > very good reasons: > > 1- There are literally thousands of pre-existing 'scripts' avai= lable, > many totally free, that save programmers hundreds of hours of t= ime > (take a look at any one of ZenCart, osCommerce or X-Cart for an= > eCommerce implementation that WebDNA *could* have been). > > 2- PHP and MySQL are installed on virtually every web hosting s= erver > in the world, which gives you thousands of choices of a new hos= ting > service when your current one craps out on you. > > 3- PHP and MySQL are free. > > 4- There are literally tens of thousands of programmers who can= build > or fix PHP and MySQL sites, so the client doesn't get tied into= a > rare proprietary solution such as WebDNA. > > Having said this, I still try to steer my clients to WebDNA whe= never > possible, mostly because it's fast and fun for us to use, and i= t > saves the client time and money during development (but costs m= ore > for hosting). > > Unfortunately saving development time and money is the only ben= efit > they get from it, and usually this is not enough to convince th= em. > They have to consider potential hosting problems, potential > abandonment of their hard to find and expensive webdna programm= er, > etc. and sometimes these are more important than saving a few b= ucks > in development. > > The bottom line is that clients don't care how easy it is for Y= OU to > program, they only care about the issues that matter to them, a= nd > this makes webdna undesirable in the majority of cases when com= pared > with the alternatives. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.kengrome.com > > > > > > > >Do you ever monitor other developer's lists just to see what's= going > >on in *their* world? > > > >There's an HTML discussion list that I'm subscribed to and the= y're > >discussion form validation and the passing of form variables i= n PHP. > >They've worked up to glob's of code that looks like a pile of > >spaghetti to me. It's something so simple that it would be <=20= 5 > >lines of WebDNA + 1 line for each form element. > > > >Just wish the word would spread..... > > > >:) > > > >GJK > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------- > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > > >Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------->=20= This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@talk.smithmicro.com> > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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