No one gets my client's code for free ...
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texte = Jesse, My non-webdna clients have no problem hiring us immediately when they see our rates. It is only a few of the people on this list (you in particular) who seem to expect me to hand over numerous examples of unencrypted webdna code that we have developed for other clients -- code that you have never paid for and have no right to possess or even see! The code you're demanding belongs to OTHER CLIENTS who have bought and paid for it. I'm not going to give you anything that belongs to someone else just to prove that my programmers can do the job ... and if that's what you expect then you have very unreasonable expectations. How would you like it if we were to write some custom code for YOU, and then we just hand it over to one of your competitors FREE OF CHARGE simply to prove that we know how to write webdna? I'll be damned if I will ever dishonor any of my valued paying clients by doing such a thing! If you (or anyone else) want samples of my programmer's webdna code, you can hire us for a small cheap test project. Then you will have your own webdna code (produced by my programmers) to evaluate. Or get over your unreasonable paranoia and just hire us to do a REAL job for you, and then you will have all kinds of templates full of my programmer's webdna code to look at -- code that you will own yourself -- and code that I will never give to anyone else under any circumstances. Of course I have already explained all this in our private email communications, but you still seem to be stuck on the belief that you have the right to other people's webdna code "for evaluation purposes". I disagree. My decision in this matter is final. I will never give away anyone else's code to you, nor will I give your code to anyone else. So until I get a client who hires and pays me to hand over his code to you, I guess you're out of luck. Sincerely, Kenneth Grome www.kengrome.com On May 6, 2005, at 00:54, Jesse Proudman wrote: > Ken, > > It is hard for people to commit to this when you don't offer samples > of your programmers code, or anything else that we can gauge their > work on. Clients do not hire us without looking at our client list > and portfolio, and in the same respect, my company wouldn't hire you > without the same. I'm sure you would have substantially more luck if > you were able to produce something to show us... > > Just my opinion. > > On May 4, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >> Greetings webdna colleagues, >> >> As you well know, I've been an expert webdna programmer for most of >> the last decade. When I moved to the Philippines several years ago I >> continued working for my existing webdna clients, and I toyed around >> with the idea of creating an outsourcing business here. I was too >> busy with other ventures at that time to build an outsourcing >> business, but eventually things changed .... > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list
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Jesse, My non-webdna clients have no problem hiring us immediately when they see our rates. It is only a few of the people on this list (you in particular) who seem to expect me to hand over numerous examples of unencrypted webdna code that we have developed for other clients -- code that you have never paid for and have no right to possess or even see! The code you're demanding belongs to OTHER CLIENTS who have bought and paid for it. I'm not going to give you anything that belongs to someone else just to prove that my programmers can do the job ... and if that's what you expect then you have very unreasonable expectations. How would you like it if we were to write some custom code for YOU, and then we just hand it over to one of your competitors FREE OF CHARGE simply to prove that we know how to write webdna? I'll be damned if I will ever dishonor any of my valued paying clients by doing such a thing! If you (or anyone else) want samples of my programmer's webdna code, you can hire us for a small cheap test project. Then you will have your own webdna code (produced by my programmers) to evaluate. Or get over your unreasonable paranoia and just hire us to do a REAL job for you, and then you will have all kinds of templates full of my programmer's webdna code to look at -- code that you will own yourself -- and code that I will never give to anyone else under any circumstances. Of course I have already explained all this in our private email communications, but you still seem to be stuck on the belief that you have the right to other people's webdna code "for evaluation purposes". I disagree. My decision in this matter is final. I will never give away anyone else's code to you, nor will I give your code to anyone else. So until I get a client who hires and pays me to hand over his code to you, I guess you're out of luck. Sincerely, Kenneth Grome www.kengrome.com On May 6, 2005, at 00:54, Jesse Proudman wrote: > Ken, > > It is hard for people to commit to this when you don't offer samples > of your programmers code, or anything else that we can gauge their > work on. Clients do not hire us without looking at our client list > and portfolio, and in the same respect, my company wouldn't hire you > without the same. I'm sure you would have substantially more luck if > you were able to produce something to show us... > > Just my opinion. > > On May 4, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >> Greetings webdna colleagues, >> >> As you well know, I've been an expert webdna programmer for most of >> the last decade. When I moved to the Philippines several years ago I >> continued working for my existing webdna clients, and I toyed around >> with the idea of creating an outsourcing business here. I was too >> busy with other ventures at that time to build an outsourcing >> business, but eventually things changed .... > ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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