Re: No one gets my client's code for free ...
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texte = Guys .. take it off list .. no one caresOn 06/05/2005, at 3:37 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:> Jesse,>> My non-webdna clients have no problem hiring us immediately when > they see our rates. It is only a few of the people on this list > (you in particular) who seem to expect me to hand over numerous > examples of unencrypted webdna code that we have developed for > other clients -- code that you have never paid for and have no > right to possess or even see!>> The code you're demanding belongs to OTHER CLIENTS who have bought > and paid for it. I'm not going to give you anything that belongs > to someone else just to prove that my programmers can do the > job ... and if that's what you expect then you have very > unreasonable expectations.>> How would you like it if we were to write some custom code for YOU, > and then we just hand it over to one of your competitors FREE OF > CHARGE simply to prove that we know how to write webdna? I'll be > damned if I will ever dishonor any of my valued paying clients by > doing such a thing!>> If you (or anyone else) want samples of my programmer's webdna > code, you can hire us for a small cheap test project. Then you > will have your own webdna code (produced by my programmers) to > evaluate. Or get over your unreasonable paranoia and just hire us > to do a REAL job for you, and then you will have all kinds of > templates full of my programmer's webdna code to look at -- code > that you will own yourself -- and code that I will never give to > anyone else under any circumstances.>> Of course I have already explained all this in our private email > communications, but you still seem to be stuck on the belief that > you have the right to other people's webdna code "for evaluation > purposes". I disagree. My decision in this matter is final. I > will never give away anyone else's code to you, nor will I give > your code to anyone else. So until I get a client who hires and > pays me to hand over his code to you, I guess you're out of luck.>> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.kengrome.com>>>>>> On May 6, 2005, at 00:54, Jesse Proudman wrote:>>>> Ken,>>>> It is hard for people to commit to this when you don't offer >> samples of your programmers code, or anything else that we can >> gauge their work on. Clients do not hire us without looking at >> our client list and portfolio, and in the same respect, my company >> wouldn't hire you without the same. I'm sure you would have >> substantially more luck if you were able to produce something to >> show us...>>>> Just my opinion.>>>> On May 4, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>> Greetings webdna colleagues,>>>>>> As you well know, I've been an expert webdna programmer for most >>> of the last decade. When I moved to the Philippines several >>> years ago I continued working for my existing webdna clients, and >>> I toyed around with the idea of creating an outsourcing business >>> here. I was too busy with other ventures at that time to build >>> an outsourcing business, but eventually things changed ....>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list
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Guys .. take it off list .. no one caresOn 06/05/2005, at 3:37 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:> Jesse,>> My non-webdna clients have no problem hiring us immediately when > they see our rates. It is only a few of the people on this list > (you in particular) who seem to expect me to hand over numerous > examples of unencrypted webdna code that we have developed for > other clients -- code that you have never paid for and have no > right to possess or even see!>> The code you're demanding belongs to OTHER CLIENTS who have bought > and paid for it. I'm not going to give you anything that belongs > to someone else just to prove that my programmers can do the > job ... and if that's what you expect then you have very > unreasonable expectations.>> How would you like it if we were to write some custom code for YOU, > and then we just hand it over to one of your competitors FREE OF > CHARGE simply to prove that we know how to write webdna? I'll be > damned if I will ever dishonor any of my valued paying clients by > doing such a thing!>> If you (or anyone else) want samples of my programmer's webdna > code, you can hire us for a small cheap test project. Then you > will have your own webdna code (produced by my programmers) to > evaluate. Or get over your unreasonable paranoia and just hire us > to do a REAL job for you, and then you will have all kinds of > templates full of my programmer's webdna code to look at -- code > that you will own yourself -- and code that I will never give to > anyone else under any circumstances.>> Of course I have already explained all this in our private email > communications, but you still seem to be stuck on the belief that > you have the right to other people's webdna code "for evaluation > purposes". I disagree. My decision in this matter is final. I > will never give away anyone else's code to you, nor will I give > your code to anyone else. So until I get a client who hires and > pays me to hand over his code to you, I guess you're out of luck.>> Sincerely,> Kenneth Grome> www.kengrome.com>>>>>> On May 6, 2005, at 00:54, Jesse Proudman wrote:>>>> Ken,>>>> It is hard for people to commit to this when you don't offer >> samples of your programmers code, or anything else that we can >> gauge their work on. Clients do not hire us without looking at >> our client list and portfolio, and in the same respect, my company >> wouldn't hire you without the same. I'm sure you would have >> substantially more luck if you were able to produce something to >> show us...>>>> Just my opinion.>>>> On May 4, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:>>>>>>> Greetings webdna colleagues,>>>>>> As you well know, I've been an expert webdna programmer for most >>> of the last decade. When I moved to the Philippines several >>> years ago I continued working for my existing webdna clients, and >>> I toyed around with the idea of creating an outsourcing business >>> here. I was too busy with other ventures at that time to build >>> an outsourcing business, but eventually things changed ....>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to> the mailing list .> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@talk.smithmicro.com>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/>-------------------------------------------------------------This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list .To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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