Re: Robust WebDNA Job Manager / Accountant
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2006
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texte = (top posting) David, I hear ya. I can relate to those thoughts. I Think most everyone who gets involved with the WebDNA language tends to like it... and then wishes it could get more of a backing etc... I'll be looking for your widgets, and cheers for comming out of lurking status. :-) Something I should mention about the build I posted is that my personal version is the one that gets updated... And now that I play with the one I posted, I realize that there is quite a difference in the two. Maybe I'll have time to carry over some of the changes I've made in the next couple days. Donovan David Bastedo wrote: > Hi, this is just a comment in general. Donovan, it's really great to see > code being offered up in a more robust fashion for webDNA for free, I'm > sort of tired of seeing the I'll sell it to you for $30. . . . who makes > money off selling hours of work in webDNA for a couple of hundred > dollars or less anyway? I mean, if you sold millions or even thousands > of copies or licenses sure, but does anybody . . . in webDNA? Really? > Honestly? . . .what's the point? > > It's weird, I recently picked up webDNA again, after several years of > not using, for a job, and have found much pleasure working with it > again. Other than a few idiosyncrasies, I have always found it a > program/language that I personally, found pretty easy to pick up and do > things with. > > But, one of the things I have often lamented about is the lack of > resources. Sure, the list is great, the email archive, while not really > what I would want/expect in support for a piece of software, is > certainly helpful/though time consuming to find what you're looking for > - if it can be found, and the few misc. site with bits and pieces of > code have been helpful over the years . . . but, I have always wondered > why more code wasn't shared openly. > > While I understand the sentiment that we (often) are being paid by > clients for our programming services, and that one has to buy the server > side software, if you look at other communities of programmers - the > flash community is one I am very familiar with - there is more free code > examples and flash communities that you can shake a stick at - I have > found it very limiting in that this community over the years has erred > on the side of commerce for their code, instead of embracing the > community and knowledge sharing of Open source or the open sharing of > files. > > That's not to say that it doesn't and hasn't existed in this community, > I know there are generous souls out there who have shared lots of code > and certainly provided numerous answers on this list, but over the years > I have found as a community, as opposed to at the individual level, that > it has been overly protective of what lies beneath the browser. > > Anyway, I guess my point is that sharing code is the only real answer to > keeping webDNA alive and kicking. Well, that's the only way we learn and > push boundaries with our capabilities. Be it what we can do, the > efficiency we do it - code wise or time wise - and I am a huge supporter > of it and am willing to share anything I have written, though it might > not be up to the standards of better code whore's than me (pardon my > French), but I see it as intrinsic to the health of the community, but I > believe it needs to be more robust than just a list and search. > > So, I don't know what I have to offer and will go through the bits and > pieces that I have, will organize them and post them for download. Yes, > it will take a while, but that is the nature of the beast. I doubt I > have anything that hasn't been done at all, but who knows. I would love > to be able to compare the way I write things to how other's right > things, and read comments on why and how's on some intricacies. > > To sum up, I really love the language and what it can do and I really > don't want it to just die out. > > On another note. This is the site I've built and it's an ongoing labour > of love and if you are a music lover in particular, you mike like it. > > I am Canadian and we have a band called The Tragically Hip who have been > around for almost 20 years. The site is www.thehip.com and it is > entirely built in webDNA. > > It features: > > A back end to control news, fan stories, archiving of images, text, > music etc. > Log in > Pasword retrieval > XML news feed creation > Save and create playlist for media player - not public or completed yet > - based on music archive > Postcard engine > Email list manipulation > Page tracking > And a bunch of other misc. features, again, all of this has been done by > people on this list, but some things, took way longer than they could > have, I made way too many mistakes because of my ignorance etc. - things > that could have been avoided for sure > And more > > It is still a work in progress and will be an ongoing project for years, > as I am currently archiving over 15 years of music, images, stories etc. > for the band, as well as dealing with current stuff. > > The site gets tons of traffic and webDNA has held up exceedingly well, > even when the server was brought down because of traffic loads - which > we fixed pretty quickly - it wasn't webDNA that failed. > > Now, a cool thing - not webdna related - is that we play a new song of > the day every day from shows the band has recorded. So if you are a > lover of rock'n roll music, you might want to check it out just for the > music. > > Anyway, that's my $.02 for the day. And thanks to all of you out there > who I have learned from. I hope my code doesn't suck:) I know I lurk on > the list and don't respond with answers to often - though I did years > ago I swear, and I am sure there are more list members like me, but I do > hope that posting my code over the next several months will at least be > a step in the right direction alleviating my lurker status from passive > to proactive. > > David. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > David Bastedo > Ten Plus One Communications > 416.603.2223x1 > http://www.10plus1.com -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. 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(top posting) David, I hear ya. I can relate to those thoughts. I Think most everyone who gets involved with the WebDNA language tends to like it... and then wishes it could get more of a backing etc... I'll be looking for your widgets, and cheers for comming out of lurking status. :-) Something I should mention about the build I posted is that my personal version is the one that gets updated... And now that I play with the one I posted, I realize that there is quite a difference in the two. Maybe I'll have time to carry over some of the changes I've made in the next couple days. Donovan David Bastedo wrote: > Hi, this is just a comment in general. Donovan, it's really great to see > code being offered up in a more robust fashion for webDNA for free, I'm > sort of tired of seeing the I'll sell it to you for $30. . . . who makes > money off selling hours of work in webDNA for a couple of hundred > dollars or less anyway? I mean, if you sold millions or even thousands > of copies or licenses sure, but does anybody . . . in webDNA? Really? > Honestly? . . .what's the point? > > It's weird, I recently picked up webDNA again, after several years of > not using, for a job, and have found much pleasure working with it > again. Other than a few idiosyncrasies, I have always found it a > program/language that I personally, found pretty easy to pick up and do > things with. > > But, one of the things I have often lamented about is the lack of > resources. Sure, the list is great, the email archive, while not really > what I would want/expect in support for a piece of software, is > certainly helpful/though time consuming to find what you're looking for > - if it can be found, and the few misc. site with bits and pieces of > code have been helpful over the years . . . but, I have always wondered > why more code wasn't shared openly. > > While I understand the sentiment that we (often) are being paid by > clients for our programming services, and that one has to buy the server > side software, if you look at other communities of programmers - the > flash community is one I am very familiar with - there is more free code > examples and flash communities that you can shake a stick at - I have > found it very limiting in that this community over the years has erred > on the side of commerce for their code, instead of embracing the > community and knowledge sharing of Open source or the open sharing of > files. > > That's not to say that it doesn't and hasn't existed in this community, > I know there are generous souls out there who have shared lots of code > and certainly provided numerous answers on this list, but over the years > I have found as a community, as opposed to at the individual level, that > it has been overly protective of what lies beneath the browser. > > Anyway, I guess my point is that sharing code is the only real answer to > keeping webDNA alive and kicking. Well, that's the only way we learn and > push boundaries with our capabilities. Be it what we can do, the > efficiency we do it - code wise or time wise - and I am a huge supporter > of it and am willing to share anything I have written, though it might > not be up to the standards of better code whore's than me (pardon my > French), but I see it as intrinsic to the health of the community, but I > believe it needs to be more robust than just a list and search. > > So, I don't know what I have to offer and will go through the bits and > pieces that I have, will organize them and post them for download. Yes, > it will take a while, but that is the nature of the beast. I doubt I > have anything that hasn't been done at all, but who knows. I would love > to be able to compare the way I write things to how other's right > things, and read comments on why and how's on some intricacies. > > To sum up, I really love the language and what it can do and I really > don't want it to just die out. > > On another note. This is the site I've built and it's an ongoing labour > of love and if you are a music lover in particular, you mike like it. > > I am Canadian and we have a band called The Tragically Hip who have been > around for almost 20 years. The site is www.thehip.com and it is > entirely built in webDNA. > > It features: > > A back end to control news, fan stories, archiving of images, text, > music etc. > Log in > Pasword retrieval > XML news feed creation > Save and create playlist for media player - not public or completed yet > - based on music archive > Postcard engine > Email list manipulation > Page tracking > And a bunch of other misc. features, again, all of this has been done by > people on this list, but some things, took way longer than they could > have, I made way too many mistakes because of my ignorance etc. - things > that could have been avoided for sure > And more > > It is still a work in progress and will be an ongoing project for years, > as I am currently archiving over 15 years of music, images, stories etc. > for the band, as well as dealing with current stuff. > > The site gets tons of traffic and webDNA has held up exceedingly well, > even when the server was brought down because of traffic loads - which > we fixed pretty quickly - it wasn't webDNA that failed. > > Now, a cool thing - not webdna related - is that we play a new song of > the day every day from shows the band has recorded. So if you are a > lover of rock'n roll music, you might want to check it out just for the > music. > > Anyway, that's my $.02 for the day. And thanks to all of you out there > who I have learned from. I hope my code doesn't suck:) I know I lurk on > the list and don't respond with answers to often - though I did years > ago I swear, and I am sure there are more list members like me, but I do > hope that posting my code over the next several months will at least be > a step in the right direction alleviating my lurker status from passive > to proactive. > > David. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > David Bastedo > Ten Plus One Communications > 416.603.2223x1 > http://www.10plus1.com -- =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o DONOVAN D. BROOKE EUCA Design Center <- Web Development (specializing in eCommerce),-> <- Custom Paint, Labels, and Specialty Signage. -> <- Home and Business Embellishment/Fabrication, -> <- Glass Blowing, and Art Glass -> PH/FAX:> 1 (608) 835-2476 Web:> http://www.egg.bz | http://www.euca.us =o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o=o ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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