Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0?
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texte = John,You have made a very valid point! Perhaps we need to look at this differently. SMI does offer a lot of tools, but I only every made 1 web site using StoreBuilder. That was 3 year ago. Ever since everything has been from scratch. Literally. Just as I have done with VB, C, Perl, php, StormCloud, mSQL and MySQL in years past. Maybe SMI should consider just selling the server engine with WebDNA docs for people like me who don't even use the StoreBuilder. When I started programming WebDNA it was version 3 and it was very unstable on Linux. And the AuthNet stuff did not even work. So that first StoreBuilder site I put together had hundreds of hours of reprogramming anyway.I always seem to do things the hard way :-\MattJohn Peacock wrote:> Claude Gelinas wrote: > > It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops > > like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for > > us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions (the > > domain limitation, namely). > > I hate to inject a little realism into this bitchfest, but you are missing a > number of major things with your little tirade (and yes, I also read the lame > discussion on your web site, too). > > As an existing owner of WebCatalog, you can upgrade today to an unlimited > licences for $995. A new customer coming in and wanting unlimited sites would > pay $1995 for a _turnkey_ web commerce solution. At a very conservative > estimate of $125/hour for development, that's under 16 hours of development. If > you can develop StoreBuilder in under 6 months of heavy programming I would be > very impressed. And the Enterprise editions cost of $4995 is still only 40 > manhours of development, for lots of extra functionality. > > That point is one that people who argue for PHP (or Perl or ASP or CF or ...) > fail to acknowledge. For an entry level user, WebDNA has everything you might > need to get started quickly, built in. PHP comes with _nothing_ except the > language; you can look around and download someone elses modules if you want, > but you are still talking about development time. So the license for PHP is > free! So what. You still need to spend time writing code to make up for the > builtin context that you get with WebDNA. > > Whether you are talking about ColdFusion, PHP, Java, Perl, or C, all you get is > a development environment. You can find other people's code that you can reuse > ( and frankly I encourage you to do so so this list doesn't continue to get > burdened by these complaints). But you don't get all of the features that > WebDNA comes with, right out of the box, that you don't need to reinvent. > > I am a heavy Perl hacker, both in the core itself as well as a number of > publically distributed modules. *I'm* not in any hurry to abandon WebDNA and > rewrite everything in Perl, though I certainly could. And the reason is that I > don't have the time to develop all of the features that come standard in WebDNA. > I am a corporate admin, so I only have to sign a P.O. to order the upgrade, > but if I was in the market trying to sell e-commerce services to other > businesses, I could easily expense out the cost of staying current with WebDNA. > > John > > -- > John Peacock > Director of Information Research and Technology > Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group > 4501 Forbes Boulevard > Suite H > Lanham, MD 20706 > 301-459-3366 x.5010 > fax 301-429-5748 > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
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John,You have made a very valid point! Perhaps we need to look at this differently. SMI does offer a lot of tools, but I only every made 1 web site using StoreBuilder. That was 3 year ago. Ever since everything has been from scratch. Literally. Just as I have done with VB, C, Perl, php, StormCloud, mSQL and MySQL in years past. Maybe SMI should consider just selling the server engine with WebDNA docs for people like me who don't even use the StoreBuilder. When I started programming WebDNA it was version 3 and it was very unstable on Linux. And the AuthNet stuff did not even work. So that first StoreBuilder site I put together had hundreds of hours of reprogramming anyway.I always seem to do things the hard way :-\MattJohn Peacock wrote:> Claude Gelinas wrote: > > It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops > > like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for > > us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions (the > > domain limitation, namely). > > I hate to inject a little realism into this bitchfest, but you are missing a > number of major things with your little tirade (and yes, I also read the lame > discussion on your web site, too). > > As an existing owner of WebCatalog, you can upgrade today to an unlimited > licences for $995. A new customer coming in and wanting unlimited sites would > pay $1995 for a _turnkey_ web commerce solution. At a very conservative > estimate of $125/hour for development, that's under 16 hours of development. If > you can develop StoreBuilder in under 6 months of heavy programming I would be > very impressed. And the Enterprise editions cost of $4995 is still only 40 > manhours of development, for lots of extra functionality. > > That point is one that people who argue for PHP (or Perl or ASP or CF or ...) > fail to acknowledge. For an entry level user, WebDNA has everything you might > need to get started quickly, built in. PHP comes with _nothing_ except the > language; you can look around and download someone elses modules if you want, > but you are still talking about development time. So the license for PHP is > free! So what. You still need to spend time writing code to make up for the > builtin context that you get with WebDNA. > > Whether you are talking about ColdFusion, PHP, Java, Perl, or C, all you get is > a development environment. You can find other people's code that you can reuse > ( and frankly I encourage you to do so so this list doesn't continue to get > burdened by these complaints). But you don't get all of the features that > WebDNA comes with, right out of the box, that you don't need to reinvent. > > I am a heavy Perl hacker, both in the core itself as well as a number of > publically distributed modules. *I'm* not in any hurry to abandon WebDNA and > rewrite everything in Perl, though I certainly could. And the reason is that I > don't have the time to develop all of the features that come standard in WebDNA. > I am a corporate admin, so I only have to sign a P.O. to order the upgrade, > but if I was in the market trying to sell e-commerce services to other > businesses, I could easily expense out the cost of staying current with WebDNA. > > John > > -- > John Peacock > Director of Information Research and Technology > Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group > 4501 Forbes Boulevard > Suite H > Lanham, MD 20706 > 301-459-3366 x.5010 > fax 301-429-5748 > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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