Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0?
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2003
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texte = Claude,I find your post (and the forum thread you originated ... not exactly an object third party source) a bit misleading to the community at large when you post only one piece of information in order support your premise ... that WebDNA 5.0 has increased in price. Out of context, this can be easily misunderstood ... Enterprise Edition is the top tier of multiple price points, priced at $4,000 because is contains a turnkey Intranet solution, a content management solution allowing you to perform workgroup-based version control and approval-based deployment of content, and the ability to aggregate web services into your site through support for SOAP and WSDL. The thing to note about Enterprise Edition is that the Intranet, Content Management, and Web Services pieces of 5.0 are new APPLICATIONS/SOLUTIONS built on top of the base WebDNA engine and language. I'd hope you would ask the same question of others on this list that have invested considerably in their own WebDNA-based solutions: Alain Russell, would you be prepared to give away your content management solution for free? Nitai Aventaggiato, are you prepared to give away your Redakto application for free ... what do you typically charge for an unlimited domain, unlimited user edition of Redakto? Stuart Tremain, are you prepared to give away your Intranet solution for free to all takers?Claude, the information you selectively excluded from your post is that if you don't require any of these additional applications, you can purchase the unlimited-domain Commerce Edition at exactly the SAME price that it has been for over a year, even though with XML/XSLT and Sandboxes it contains considerable new functionality. With the introduction of 5.0, we added a LOWER price of entry for people that don't require unlimited domains, and we moved Developer Edition from $199 to FREE ... while enabling all the new functionality of 5.0 into Developer Edition with the exception of the content management application. This is a very typical tiered model, allowing people to buy into different levels based upon their needs and the structure of their own business model. Our upgrade price for same-for-same unlimited domain Commerce edition was $995. If your hosting business can't support $1K every two years or so to keep current, then I'd question how that business model is putting clothes on your back. Yet, you characterize us as greedy while we invested several man-years of resources into the 5.0 release out of our own pocket ... Phil B.-----Original Message----- From: Claude Gelinas [mailto:webmaster@mbnx.net] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:06 AM To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com Subject: Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0?Hi Kenneth,It's a very expensive upgrade and it's nowhere close to my available budget for such an upgrade. I'd go as far as 500$US for a fully unlimited license. That's the absolute max.Unfortunately, the folks at SmithMicro seem to think we're rich, or something. They fail to see PHP's rock solid capabilities and free license (which makes a world of a difference since).Since a lot of the action on the list seems like it's slowing down, I take it that perhaps a majority of WebDNA users are already toying aroung with the thousands of PHP scripts freely available at http://hotscripts.com/ to convert everything they built with WebDNA in the past in order to have 100% PHP operations in the future.It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions (the domain limitation, namely).An alternative talk of this matter is going on at http://webmaster.mbnx.net/ but my biggest wish would be that SmithMicro woke up and got a brutal reality check: we're NOT rich! We love the language but raising the bar for us all will just kill the language by pushing everyone to something they can afford, such as PHP.God, I really hope they wake up!Here's a bit of advice: being generous will make you insanely rich. Be a grinch and you'll choke under your own paranoia that you're it. SmithMicro: please get a brain. Your sky-high prices are killing any chance for the language to seriously take off in the market. It doesn't take a genie to figure that one out but obviously, SmithMicro still isn't figuring it out...I wouldn't say all this if I wasn't madly in love in your language. I'm doing it because I care.Respectfully yours, On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:> Greetings, > > Since I've restarted my efforts to find a new hosting service for some > of my sites, and since March 31st (tomorrow) is the last day for > everyone to take advantage of the special discounts available at > SMSI's web site for upgrading to version 5.0, I'm curious: > > How many of you have actually bought an upgrade to 5.x? > > How many are waiting for later today or tomorrow before making your > last-minute decision to purchase? > > For those who have paid for this upgrade, do you offer webdna hosting > services? When do you actually plan to start using it on your hosting > server? Do you have a specific date in mind, or will you just wait > until the bugs have been found and squashed? > > I haven't seen any reports about the performance of v5.0 posted to > this list yet. Is there another (separate) list for v5 users? Has > anyone actually started using it yet? > -- > > PS: Please reply privately to kengrome@softhome.net or > kengrome@postmark.net, thanks. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
. > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >-- Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer MBNX.net - Online ServicesDirect: (418) 657-6184 Toll free: 1 866 783-2321Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Claude,I find your post (and the forum thread you originated ... not exactly an object third party source) a bit misleading to the community at large when you post only one piece of information in order support your premise ... that WebDNA 5.0 has increased in price. Out of context, this can be easily misunderstood ... Enterprise Edition is the top tier of multiple price points, priced at $4,000 because is contains a turnkey Intranet solution, a content management solution allowing you to perform workgroup-based version control and approval-based deployment of content, and the ability to aggregate web services into your site through support for SOAP and WSDL. The thing to note about Enterprise Edition is that the Intranet, Content Management, and Web Services pieces of 5.0 are new APPLICATIONS/SOLUTIONS built on top of the base WebDNA engine and language. I'd hope you would ask the same question of others on this list that have invested considerably in their own WebDNA-based solutions: Alain Russell, would you be prepared to give away your content management solution for free? Nitai Aventaggiato, are you prepared to give away your Redakto application for free ... what do you typically charge for an unlimited domain, unlimited user edition of Redakto? Stuart Tremain, are you prepared to give away your Intranet solution for free to all takers?Claude, the information you selectively excluded from your post is that if you don't require any of these additional applications, you can purchase the unlimited-domain Commerce Edition at exactly the SAME price that it has been for over a year, even though with XML/XSLT and Sandboxes it contains considerable new functionality. With the introduction of 5.0, we added a LOWER price of entry for people that don't require unlimited domains, and we moved Developer Edition from $199 to FREE ... while enabling all the new functionality of 5.0 into Developer Edition with the exception of the content management application. This is a very typical tiered model, allowing people to buy into different levels based upon their needs and the structure of their own business model. Our upgrade price for same-for-same unlimited domain Commerce edition was $995. If your hosting business can't support $1K every two years or so to keep current, then I'd question how that business model is putting clothes on your back. Yet, you characterize us as greedy while we invested several man-years of resources into the 5.0 release out of our own pocket ... Phil B.-----Original Message----- From: Claude Gelinas [mailto:webmaster@mbnx.net] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:06 AM To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com Subject: Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0?Hi Kenneth,It's a very expensive upgrade and it's nowhere close to my available budget for such an upgrade. I'd go as far as 500$US for a fully unlimited license. That's the absolute max.Unfortunately, the folks at SmithMicro seem to think we're rich, or something. They fail to see PHP's rock solid capabilities and free license (which makes a world of a difference since).Since a lot of the action on the list seems like it's slowing down, I take it that perhaps a majority of WebDNA users are already toying aroung with the thousands of PHP scripts freely available at http://hotscripts.com/ to convert everything they built with WebDNA in the past in order to have 100% PHP operations in the future.It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions (the domain limitation, namely).An alternative talk of this matter is going on at http://webmaster.mbnx.net/ but my biggest wish would be that SmithMicro woke up and got a brutal reality check: we're NOT rich! We love the language but raising the bar for us all will just kill the language by pushing everyone to something they can afford, such as PHP.God, I really hope they wake up!Here's a bit of advice: being generous will make you insanely rich. Be a grinch and you'll choke under your own paranoia that you're it. SmithMicro: please get a brain. Your sky-high prices are killing any chance for the language to seriously take off in the market. It doesn't take a genie to figure that one out but obviously, SmithMicro still isn't figuring it out...I wouldn't say all this if I wasn't madly in love in your language. I'm doing it because I care.Respectfully yours, On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote:> Greetings, > > Since I've restarted my efforts to find a new hosting service for some > of my sites, and since March 31st (tomorrow) is the last day for > everyone to take advantage of the special discounts available at > SMSI's web site for upgrading to version 5.0, I'm curious: > > How many of you have actually bought an upgrade to 5.x? > > How many are waiting for later today or tomorrow before making your > last-minute decision to purchase? > > For those who have paid for this upgrade, do you offer webdna hosting > services? When do you actually plan to start using it on your hosting > server? Do you have a specific date in mind, or will you just wait > until the bugs have been found and squashed? > > I haven't seen any reports about the performance of v5.0 posted to > this list yet. Is there another (separate) list for v5 users? Has > anyone actually started using it yet? > -- > > PS: Please reply privately to kengrome@softhome.net or > kengrome@postmark.net, thanks. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >-- Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer MBNX.net - Online ServicesDirect: (418) 657-6184 Toll free: 1 866 783-2321Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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