Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0?
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texte = Phil,If I was rich, I'd happily pay whatever you asked for WebDNA. Rest assured of that. I respect your work. I respect your passion for delivering an innovative language to the web.It's important that everyone here, on the list, know that I'm poor. Yes, I work out of my little house in a little Canadian city and I'm POOR. I'm not ashamed of it. I adore my wife and kids, I'm a university graduate and I chose to save money to buy the initial 1,995$US for a WebCatalog licence. Then, I paid the upgrade. I thought I'd have some kind less expensive upgrade path from that moment on. Not!I see your point Phil and I sincerely thank you for the -very affordable- 995$US upgrade. The very ugly truth is that with my children growing and the markets being conservative, it's impossible for me to continue playing the game with you all because I'M POOR, or at least, too poor for you. And yes, I work like crazy.It's just sad that I ruined your party on the list just because I dreamed of continuing to work with you at using / developing the best language ever. I see that you only accept richer people than me and as such, in the end, if I don't come up with the cash, I'm not even a potential customer, I'm just a pesky problem bitching on the list, like all those other worthless poor people out there...I know you're someone nice Phil so I'll bite the bullet. You win. Good luck with WebDNA, I'll always have a special place in my heart for you all. I'll remember the lesson: money first.Respectfully, On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 01:27 PM, Phillip Bonesteele wrote:> > Claude, > > I find your post (and the forum thread you originated ... not exactly > an > object third party source) a bit misleading to the community at large > when > you post only one piece of information in order support your premise > ... > that WebDNA 5.0 has increased in price. Out of context, this can be > easily > misunderstood ... Enterprise Edition is the top tier of multiple > price > points, priced at $4,000 because is contains a turnkey Intranet > solution, a > content management solution allowing you to perform workgroup-based > version > control and approval-based deployment of content, and the ability to > aggregate web services into your site through support for SOAP and > WSDL. > The thing to note about Enterprise Edition is that the Intranet, > Content > Management, and Web Services pieces of 5.0 are new > APPLICATIONS/SOLUTIONS > built on top of the base WebDNA engine and language. > > I'd hope you would ask the same question of others on this list that > have > invested considerably in their own WebDNA-based solutions: Alain > Russell, > would you be prepared to give away your content management solution for > free? Nitai Aventaggiato, are you prepared to give away your Redakto > application for free ... what do you typically charge for an unlimited > domain, unlimited user edition of Redakto? Stuart Tremain, are you > prepared > to give away your Intranet solution for free to all takers? > > Claude, the information you selectively excluded from your post is > that if > you don't require any of these additional applications, you can > purchase the > unlimited-domain Commerce Edition at exactly the SAME price that it > has been > for over a year, even though with XML/XSLT and Sandboxes it contains > considerable new functionality. With the introduction of 5.0, we > added a > LOWER price of entry for people that don't require unlimited domains, > and we > moved Developer Edition from $199 to FREE ... while enabling all the > new > functionality of 5.0 into Developer Edition with the exception of the > content management application. > > This is a very typical tiered model, allowing people to buy into > different > levels based upon their needs and the structure of their own business > model. > Our upgrade price for same-for-same unlimited domain Commerce edition > was > $995. If your hosting business can't support $1K every two years or > so to > keep current, then I'd question how that business model is putting > clothes > on your back. Yet, you characterize us as greedy while we invested > several > man-years of resources into the 5.0 release out of our own pocket ... > > Phil B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Gelinas [mailto:webmaster@mbnx.net] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:06 AM > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > Subject: Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0? > > Hi Kenneth, > > It's a very expensive upgrade and it's nowhere close to my available > budget for such an upgrade. I'd go as far as 500$US for a fully > unlimited license. That's the absolute max. > > Unfortunately, the folks at SmithMicro seem to think we're rich, or > something. They fail to see PHP's rock solid capabilities and free > license (which makes a world of a difference since). > > Since a lot of the action on the list seems like it's slowing down, I > take it that perhaps a majority of WebDNA users are already toying > aroung with the thousands of PHP scripts freely available at > http://hotscripts.com/ to convert everything they built with WebDNA in > the past in order to have 100% PHP operations in the future. > > It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops > like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for > us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions > (the domain limitation, namely). > > An alternative talk of this matter is going on at > http://webmaster.mbnx.net/ but my biggest wish would be that SmithMicro > woke up and got a brutal reality check: we're NOT rich! We love the > language but raising the bar for us all will just kill the language by > pushing everyone to something they can afford, such as PHP. > > God, I really hope they wake up! > > Here's a bit of advice: being generous will make you insanely rich. Be > a grinch and you'll choke under your own paranoia that you're it. > SmithMicro: please get a brain. Your sky-high prices are killing any > chance for the language to seriously take off in the market. It doesn't > take a genie to figure that one out but obviously, SmithMicro still > isn't figuring it out... > > I wouldn't say all this if I wasn't madly in love in your language. I'm > doing it because I care. > > Respectfully yours, > > > On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Since I've restarted my efforts to find a new hosting service for some >> of my sites, and since March 31st (tomorrow) is the last day for >> everyone to take advantage of the special discounts available at >> SMSI's web site for upgrading to version 5.0, I'm curious: >> >> How many of you have actually bought an upgrade to 5.x? >> >> How many are waiting for later today or tomorrow before making your >> last-minute decision to purchase? >> >> For those who have paid for this upgrade, do you offer webdna hosting >> services? When do you actually plan to start using it on your hosting >> server? Do you have a specific date in mind, or will you just wait >> until the bugs have been found and squashed? >> >> I haven't seen any reports about the performance of v5.0 posted to >> this list yet. Is there another (separate) list for v5 users? Has >> anyone actually started using it yet? >> -- >> >> PS: Please reply privately to kengrome@softhome.net or >> kengrome@postmark.net, thanks. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list
. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> > > -- > Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer > MBNX.net - Online Services > > Direct: (418) 657-6184 > Toll free: 1 866 783-2321 > > Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net > Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >-- Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer MBNX.net - Online ServicesDirect: (418) 657-6184 Toll free: 1 866 783-2321Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/
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Phil,If I was rich, I'd happily pay whatever you asked for WebDNA. Rest assured of that. I respect your work. I respect your passion for delivering an innovative language to the web.It's important that everyone here, on the list, know that I'm poor. Yes, I work out of my little house in a little Canadian city and I'm POOR. I'm not ashamed of it. I adore my wife and kids, I'm a university graduate and I chose to save money to buy the initial 1,995$US for a WebCatalog licence. Then, I paid the upgrade. I thought I'd have some kind less expensive upgrade path from that moment on. Not!I see your point Phil and I sincerely thank you for the -very affordable- 995$US upgrade. The very ugly truth is that with my children growing and the markets being conservative, it's impossible for me to continue playing the game with you all because I'M POOR, or at least, too poor for you. And yes, I work like crazy.It's just sad that I ruined your party on the list just because I dreamed of continuing to work with you at using / developing the best language ever. I see that you only accept richer people than me and as such, in the end, if I don't come up with the cash, I'm not even a potential customer, I'm just a pesky problem bitching on the list, like all those other worthless poor people out there...I know you're someone nice Phil so I'll bite the bullet. You win. Good luck with WebDNA, I'll always have a special place in my heart for you all. I'll remember the lesson: money first.Respectfully, On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 01:27 PM, Phillip Bonesteele wrote:> > Claude, > > I find your post (and the forum thread you originated ... not exactly > an > object third party source) a bit misleading to the community at large > when > you post only one piece of information in order support your premise > ... > that WebDNA 5.0 has increased in price. Out of context, this can be > easily > misunderstood ... Enterprise Edition is the top tier of multiple > price > points, priced at $4,000 because is contains a turnkey Intranet > solution, a > content management solution allowing you to perform workgroup-based > version > control and approval-based deployment of content, and the ability to > aggregate web services into your site through support for SOAP and > WSDL. > The thing to note about Enterprise Edition is that the Intranet, > Content > Management, and Web Services pieces of 5.0 are new > APPLICATIONS/SOLUTIONS > built on top of the base WebDNA engine and language. > > I'd hope you would ask the same question of others on this list that > have > invested considerably in their own WebDNA-based solutions: Alain > Russell, > would you be prepared to give away your content management solution for > free? Nitai Aventaggiato, are you prepared to give away your Redakto > application for free ... what do you typically charge for an unlimited > domain, unlimited user edition of Redakto? Stuart Tremain, are you > prepared > to give away your Intranet solution for free to all takers? > > Claude, the information you selectively excluded from your post is > that if > you don't require any of these additional applications, you can > purchase the > unlimited-domain Commerce Edition at exactly the SAME price that it > has been > for over a year, even though with XML/XSLT and Sandboxes it contains > considerable new functionality. With the introduction of 5.0, we > added a > LOWER price of entry for people that don't require unlimited domains, > and we > moved Developer Edition from $199 to FREE ... while enabling all the > new > functionality of 5.0 into Developer Edition with the exception of the > content management application. > > This is a very typical tiered model, allowing people to buy into > different > levels based upon their needs and the structure of their own business > model. > Our upgrade price for same-for-same unlimited domain Commerce edition > was > $995. If your hosting business can't support $1K every two years or > so to > keep current, then I'd question how that business model is putting > clothes > on your back. Yet, you characterize us as greedy while we invested > several > man-years of resources into the 5.0 release out of our own pocket ... > > Phil B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Gelinas [mailto:webmaster@mbnx.net] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:06 AM > To: WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com > Subject: Re: Hosts who have upgraded to v5.0? > > Hi Kenneth, > > It's a very expensive upgrade and it's nowhere close to my available > budget for such an upgrade. I'd go as far as 500$US for a fully > unlimited license. That's the absolute max. > > Unfortunately, the folks at SmithMicro seem to think we're rich, or > something. They fail to see PHP's rock solid capabilities and free > license (which makes a world of a difference since). > > Since a lot of the action on the list seems like it's slowing down, I > take it that perhaps a majority of WebDNA users are already toying > aroung with the thousands of PHP scripts freely available at > http://hotscripts.com/ to convert everything they built with WebDNA in > the past in order to have 100% PHP operations in the future. > > It's sad but SmithMicro can't understand the logic of small web shops > like mine. They seem to think we're very rich and the only way out for > us is to pay their insanely high prices and unattractive conditions > (the domain limitation, namely). > > An alternative talk of this matter is going on at > http://webmaster.mbnx.net/ but my biggest wish would be that SmithMicro > woke up and got a brutal reality check: we're NOT rich! We love the > language but raising the bar for us all will just kill the language by > pushing everyone to something they can afford, such as PHP. > > God, I really hope they wake up! > > Here's a bit of advice: being generous will make you insanely rich. Be > a grinch and you'll choke under your own paranoia that you're it. > SmithMicro: please get a brain. Your sky-high prices are killing any > chance for the language to seriously take off in the market. It doesn't > take a genie to figure that one out but obviously, SmithMicro still > isn't figuring it out... > > I wouldn't say all this if I wasn't madly in love in your language. I'm > doing it because I care. > > Respectfully yours, > > > On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> Since I've restarted my efforts to find a new hosting service for some >> of my sites, and since March 31st (tomorrow) is the last day for >> everyone to take advantage of the special discounts available at >> SMSI's web site for upgrading to version 5.0, I'm curious: >> >> How many of you have actually bought an upgrade to 5.x? >> >> How many are waiting for later today or tomorrow before making your >> last-minute decision to purchase? >> >> For those who have paid for this upgrade, do you offer webdna hosting >> services? When do you actually plan to start using it on your hosting >> server? Do you have a specific date in mind, or will you just wait >> until the bugs have been found and squashed? >> >> I haven't seen any reports about the performance of v5.0 posted to >> this list yet. Is there another (separate) list for v5 users? Has >> anyone actually started using it yet? >> -- >> >> PS: Please reply privately to kengrome@softhome.net or >> kengrome@postmark.net, thanks. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> > > -- > Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer > MBNX.net - Online Services > > Direct: (418) 657-6184 > Toll free: 1 866 783-2321 > > Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net > Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > >-- Claude Gelinas, Chief Technological Officer MBNX.net - Online ServicesDirect: (418) 657-6184 Toll free: 1 866 783-2321Mailto:cgelinas@mbnx.net Visit us - http://mbnx.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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