Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA 7
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2011
It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 107565
interpreted = N
texte = Cheetara !! lol On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:45:34 -0400, Adam OConnor
= =20 wrote: > My vote is for Liger. ;-) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger > > > > On 10/26/11 3:34 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> So here's the bottom line: >> >> For those of you who need a globals folder, and for others >> such as those who have built eCommerce systems on top of v6 >> and earlier, there is no reason to switch to v7. >> >> None whatsoever. >> >> So just continue using v6 successfully like you've done for >> how many years (?) and give WSC a chance to do what they >> intend to do with v7 -- without pressuring them to change it >> just because you want a feature it does not offer. >> >> By the way, in my opinion v7 should have been given a brand >> new name and a new 1.0 version number to go along with it. >> Then you all might not consider it to be an "upgrade" ... >> since it is really not an upgrade at all. >> >> So who's with me in having a contest to give v7 a brand new >> name? I hereby cast my vote for "Wombat"! >> >> :) >> >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> >> >> >>> Brian, >>> >>> I've been following this thread intently over the past >>> few days and have been pleased to see the interaction >>> and feedback. I feel compelled to say a few things at >>> this point: >>> >>> Ken largely has it right; if we thought that the "ISP" >>> customer base was large enough and would spend enough >>> money to support the forward momentum of WSC we would >>> certainly focus our efforts on giving that base what >>> they want. In your case, you say, essentially, that you >>> would like to continue to use WebDNA on your sites and >>> due to years of existing code it would burdensome for >>> you to switch to WebDNA 7, thus it is not a viable >>> option for you. I am like you in that respect, though I >>> presume that you manage far more sites than I do since I >>> have largely gotten out of the "build/host websites for >>> other people" business. I own an unlimited commerce >>> edition of WebDNA 6.2 for linux installed on a VPS that >>> I control where I have a handful of sites, mostly my >>> own. I don't use sandboxes since I'm the only one who >>> gets under the hood of the server and I use globals >>> quite a bit -- in my case it's more as a security >>> measure than a code-centralization one. >>> >>> Fact is, I won't be "upgrading" to WebDNA 7. I have no >>> need for it at this time. That is not to say that I >>> won't have a need in the future or that it's not useful; >>> I probably will and it is. The kicker here of course is >>> that I'm the "marketing guy" for WSC so I'm supposedly >>> obligated to drink the kool-aid and set an example, but >>> the fact of the matter is, I'm not our target market >>> anymore, and that was a major eye-opener late last year >>> and early this year when Chris and I were discussing the >>> future of WebDNA and how to market it. >>> >>> So my point on this is that perhaps you don't need WebDNA >>> 7 right now, and that's okay. I'm still using Adobe CS4 >>> and as much as Adobe wants me to upgrade, I just don't >>> need it right now. Don't feel compelled to "upgrade", I >>> won't be. I keep putting the word "upgrade" in quotes >>> because this new version of WebDNA, while it does fix >>> some bugs from previous versions, it is more of a >>> stripping-down and a simplifying of the product, as >>> Chris has pointed out. It is for all intents and >>> purposes a new direction, and one that is based on the >>> future of WebDNA and the survival of WSC. It is our hope >>> that this simplification allows WebDNA to reach a >>> desperately-needed wider audience. That is not to say >>> that we are leaving our current customer-base behind; we >>> are not. We still stand by and support all versions of >>> WebDNA. >>> >>> If WebDNA 7 proves to be successful and the resources are >>> there then who's to say that WebDNA 8 won't include >>> globals or whatever feature requests are demanded. So >>> hang tight. Stick with your current version of WebDNA. I >>> am. Wait and see what happens, that's what I'm going to >>> do. >>> >>> Someone pointed out that there were maybe 20 people still >>> using WebDNA, and I can confidently say that that is not >>> the case, but the point is well-taken, and that is that >>> WebDNA is not very popular these days. Agreed. It is our >>> intention to change that buy simplifying the product >>> into what is now WebDNA 7.0. But let's go ahead and use >>> those "20" people as an example to help illustrate the >>> reality at hand. Let's say, hypothetically that there >>> are really only 20 people still using WebDNA. Let's >>> reasonably assume then, that they are "ISP" customers, >>> and that they by and large need WebDNA to stay the same >>> in order for it to remain a viable "upgrade" for them, >>> even if that "upgrade" is simply better support and/or >>> documentation among other things. Okay, then I ask all >>> 20 of them to each send WSC, say, $5,000 and we'll make >>> it happen. "What?!" "Why would I do that?" "What's in it >>> for me?" Exactly. Who in their right mind would do that? >>> Nobody, that's who. Now let's say that instead of 20 >>> customers, there were 200 or 2000 or 200000. Then the >>> amount "needed" would of course be $500, $50 or $5, >>> respectively. Bottom line, we need more customers, and >>> that is where WebDNA 7. comes in. >>> >>> Lastly, I'd like to acknowledge a few things in an >>> official capacity: I know that I have been pretty quiet >>> for a "marketing guy", but that doesn't mean that I'm >>> not still around and acting on behalf of WSC. Fact is, I >>> submitted a marketing plan and budget to Chris at the >>> beginning of this year and he submitted it to the WSC >>> shareholders in April. All that is missing is funding. >>> No funding, no marketing, unfortunately. There is no way >>> around it. Even if I had the time or inclination to >>> essentially donate my time to doing all of the various >>> tasks that need to be done (hint: I don't) to bring >>> WebDNA 7 to market, there are still the hard costs of >>> advertising. Chris has been feverishly working to raise >>> that capital all year and I am confident that he will >>> come through, and in the meantime his efforts have been >>> directed at tightening up the screws on the new product >>> and testing testing testing. >>> >>> I apologize for the lengthy response, and Brian, this was >>> not directed at you, per se, but your opinions echo much >>> of what the important issues are for WSC at this time, >>> so I used a response to you as an opportunity to address >>> the group. I realize many of you will have questions as >>> a result of this email and I'll do my best to respond to >>> each of them -- briefly of course :) >>> >>> As always, long live WebDNA. >>> >>> -- -Dan Strong >>> Chief Marketing Officer >>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>> http://www.webdna.us >>> >>> On 10/26/2011 11:02 AM, Brian Fries wrote: >>>> Chris, I understand and agree with your direction with >>>> WebDNA to make it more palatable to ISPs. However, I >>>> cannot move to WebDNA 7 for my main web servers >>>> without many hours of work and testing. Your statement >>>> "i really do not understand the fellows here who feel >>>> that the world would stop without /global" is rather >>>> dismissive to those of us who have been using the >>>> product for years and have developed a system that >>>> (for good reasons) relies on globals. In my case, I >>>> have two different physical web servers which host 20+ >>>> domains between them. In both cases, most of the >>>> domains are virtual clones of the same site with both >>>> shared code and shared databases. Maintaining 20 >>>> copies of the code and separating the databases into >>>> 20 domain-specific sets would be a lot of work and >>>> would lose functionality such as single sign-on for >>>> multiple domains without additional effort. So, if I >>>> build new systems under WebDNA, I will keep the >>>> limitations of version 7 in mind, but I cannot afford >>>> the effort of changing systems that have been in place >>>> for 10 or more years. As such, those sites will not be >>>> receiving any of the benefits of future WebDNA >>>> enhancements. Brian Fries BrainScan Software On Oct >>>> >>>> 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>>> christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: [snip] >>>>> >>>>>> In conclusion, i do not think the 6.x /global >>>>>> directory can save programming time (by building a >>>>>> standard and local /global), is not really saving >>>>>> space neither (few hundred kB?), implies major >>>>>> complexity for WebDNA and restrict customer's >>>>>> freedom. Since it is very easy to move locally the >>>>>> /global directory and fix the references to it with >>>>>> a single "search and replace" in few minutes only, i >>>>>> really do not understand the fellows here who feel >>>>>> that the world would stop without /global. - chris >>>>> What we've got here is (a) failure to communicate. ;-) >>>>> Donovan -- Donovan Brooke Euca Design Center >>>>> www.euca.us >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>>> subscribed to the mailing list. To >>>> unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --=20 Vijay-Kumar Solanki Adobe Certified Instructor/Developer, Consultant d'Vinci Interactive Vijay@dvinci.com 301.797.2386
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Cheetara !! lol On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:45:34 -0400, Adam OConnor = =20 wrote: > My vote is for Liger. ;-) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger > > > > On 10/26/11 3:34 PM, Kenneth Grome wrote: >> So here's the bottom line: >> >> For those of you who need a globals folder, and for others >> such as those who have built eCommerce systems on top of v6 >> and earlier, there is no reason to switch to v7. >> >> None whatsoever. >> >> So just continue using v6 successfully like you've done for >> how many years (?) and give WSC a chance to do what they >> intend to do with v7 -- without pressuring them to change it >> just because you want a feature it does not offer. >> >> By the way, in my opinion v7 should have been given a brand >> new name and a new 1.0 version number to go along with it. >> Then you all might not consider it to be an "upgrade" ... >> since it is really not an upgrade at all. >> >> So who's with me in having a contest to give v7 a brand new >> name? I hereby cast my vote for "Wombat"! >> >> :) >> >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> >> >> >>> Brian, >>> >>> I've been following this thread intently over the past >>> few days and have been pleased to see the interaction >>> and feedback. I feel compelled to say a few things at >>> this point: >>> >>> Ken largely has it right; if we thought that the "ISP" >>> customer base was large enough and would spend enough >>> money to support the forward momentum of WSC we would >>> certainly focus our efforts on giving that base what >>> they want. In your case, you say, essentially, that you >>> would like to continue to use WebDNA on your sites and >>> due to years of existing code it would burdensome for >>> you to switch to WebDNA 7, thus it is not a viable >>> option for you. I am like you in that respect, though I >>> presume that you manage far more sites than I do since I >>> have largely gotten out of the "build/host websites for >>> other people" business. I own an unlimited commerce >>> edition of WebDNA 6.2 for linux installed on a VPS that >>> I control where I have a handful of sites, mostly my >>> own. I don't use sandboxes since I'm the only one who >>> gets under the hood of the server and I use globals >>> quite a bit -- in my case it's more as a security >>> measure than a code-centralization one. >>> >>> Fact is, I won't be "upgrading" to WebDNA 7. I have no >>> need for it at this time. That is not to say that I >>> won't have a need in the future or that it's not useful; >>> I probably will and it is. The kicker here of course is >>> that I'm the "marketing guy" for WSC so I'm supposedly >>> obligated to drink the kool-aid and set an example, but >>> the fact of the matter is, I'm not our target market >>> anymore, and that was a major eye-opener late last year >>> and early this year when Chris and I were discussing the >>> future of WebDNA and how to market it. >>> >>> So my point on this is that perhaps you don't need WebDNA >>> 7 right now, and that's okay. I'm still using Adobe CS4 >>> and as much as Adobe wants me to upgrade, I just don't >>> need it right now. Don't feel compelled to "upgrade", I >>> won't be. I keep putting the word "upgrade" in quotes >>> because this new version of WebDNA, while it does fix >>> some bugs from previous versions, it is more of a >>> stripping-down and a simplifying of the product, as >>> Chris has pointed out. It is for all intents and >>> purposes a new direction, and one that is based on the >>> future of WebDNA and the survival of WSC. It is our hope >>> that this simplification allows WebDNA to reach a >>> desperately-needed wider audience. That is not to say >>> that we are leaving our current customer-base behind; we >>> are not. We still stand by and support all versions of >>> WebDNA. >>> >>> If WebDNA 7 proves to be successful and the resources are >>> there then who's to say that WebDNA 8 won't include >>> globals or whatever feature requests are demanded. So >>> hang tight. Stick with your current version of WebDNA. I >>> am. Wait and see what happens, that's what I'm going to >>> do. >>> >>> Someone pointed out that there were maybe 20 people still >>> using WebDNA, and I can confidently say that that is not >>> the case, but the point is well-taken, and that is that >>> WebDNA is not very popular these days. Agreed. It is our >>> intention to change that buy simplifying the product >>> into what is now WebDNA 7.0. But let's go ahead and use >>> those "20" people as an example to help illustrate the >>> reality at hand. Let's say, hypothetically that there >>> are really only 20 people still using WebDNA. Let's >>> reasonably assume then, that they are "ISP" customers, >>> and that they by and large need WebDNA to stay the same >>> in order for it to remain a viable "upgrade" for them, >>> even if that "upgrade" is simply better support and/or >>> documentation among other things. Okay, then I ask all >>> 20 of them to each send WSC, say, $5,000 and we'll make >>> it happen. "What?!" "Why would I do that?" "What's in it >>> for me?" Exactly. Who in their right mind would do that? >>> Nobody, that's who. Now let's say that instead of 20 >>> customers, there were 200 or 2000 or 200000. Then the >>> amount "needed" would of course be $500, $50 or $5, >>> respectively. Bottom line, we need more customers, and >>> that is where WebDNA 7. comes in. >>> >>> Lastly, I'd like to acknowledge a few things in an >>> official capacity: I know that I have been pretty quiet >>> for a "marketing guy", but that doesn't mean that I'm >>> not still around and acting on behalf of WSC. Fact is, I >>> submitted a marketing plan and budget to Chris at the >>> beginning of this year and he submitted it to the WSC >>> shareholders in April. All that is missing is funding. >>> No funding, no marketing, unfortunately. There is no way >>> around it. Even if I had the time or inclination to >>> essentially donate my time to doing all of the various >>> tasks that need to be done (hint: I don't) to bring >>> WebDNA 7 to market, there are still the hard costs of >>> advertising. Chris has been feverishly working to raise >>> that capital all year and I am confident that he will >>> come through, and in the meantime his efforts have been >>> directed at tightening up the screws on the new product >>> and testing testing testing. >>> >>> I apologize for the lengthy response, and Brian, this was >>> not directed at you, per se, but your opinions echo much >>> of what the important issues are for WSC at this time, >>> so I used a response to you as an opportunity to address >>> the group. I realize many of you will have questions as >>> a result of this email and I'll do my best to respond to >>> each of them -- briefly of course :) >>> >>> As always, long live WebDNA. >>> >>> -- -Dan Strong >>> Chief Marketing Officer >>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>> http://www.webdna.us >>> >>> On 10/26/2011 11:02 AM, Brian Fries wrote: >>>> Chris, I understand and agree with your direction with >>>> WebDNA to make it more palatable to ISPs. However, I >>>> cannot move to WebDNA 7 for my main web servers >>>> without many hours of work and testing. Your statement >>>> "i really do not understand the fellows here who feel >>>> that the world would stop without /global" is rather >>>> dismissive to those of us who have been using the >>>> product for years and have developed a system that >>>> (for good reasons) relies on globals. In my case, I >>>> have two different physical web servers which host 20+ >>>> domains between them. In both cases, most of the >>>> domains are virtual clones of the same site with both >>>> shared code and shared databases. Maintaining 20 >>>> copies of the code and separating the databases into >>>> 20 domain-specific sets would be a lot of work and >>>> would lose functionality such as single sign-on for >>>> multiple domains without additional effort. So, if I >>>> build new systems under WebDNA, I will keep the >>>> limitations of version 7 in mind, but I cannot afford >>>> the effort of changing systems that have been in place >>>> for 10 or more years. As such, those sites will not be >>>> receiving any of the benefits of future WebDNA >>>> enhancements. Brian Fries BrainScan Software On Oct >>>> >>>> 26, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Donovan Brooke wrote: >>>>> christophe.billiottet@webdna.us wrote: [snip] >>>>> >>>>>> In conclusion, i do not think the 6.x /global >>>>>> directory can save programming time (by building a >>>>>> standard and local /global), is not really saving >>>>>> space neither (few hundred kB?), implies major >>>>>> complexity for WebDNA and restrict customer's >>>>>> freedom. Since it is very easy to move locally the >>>>>> /global directory and fix the references to it with >>>>>> a single "search and replace" in few minutes only, i >>>>>> really do not understand the fellows here who feel >>>>>> that the world would stop without /global. - chris >>>>> What we've got here is (a) failure to communicate. ;-) >>>>> Donovan -- Donovan Brooke Euca Design Center >>>>> www.euca.us >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- This message is sent to you because you are >>>> subscribed to the mailing list. To >>>> unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list. >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >>> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list. >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >> Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us >> > > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us --=20 Vijay-Kumar Solanki Adobe Certified Instructor/Developer, Consultant d'Vinci Interactive Vijay@dvinci.com 301.797.2386
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