Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA 7
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texte = This way both new and existing would contribute. On 27/10/2011, at 10:09 AM, Govinda wrote: > That probably factors in.. (or should).. but even since SmithMicro = days we see that the existing customer base (upgrades included) was not = enough. They/we need *new* people too... to keep Webdna alive. Just my = assumption/observation. I am not trying to influence, either way. >=20 > -G >=20 >> Dan >>=20 >> I fully agree to follow the money. >>=20 >> But consider this: I have 100+ domains running on WebDNA that will = stay on 6.x because they need a globals directory. >>=20 >> If v7 had access to a globals directory I would then have the option = of paying 100 upgrade fees. >>=20 >> Regards >>=20 >> Stuart Tremain >> IDFK Web Developments >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@idfk.com.au >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 27/10/2011, at 6:12 AM, Dan Strong wrote: >>=20 >>> Brian, >>>=20 >>> I've been following this thread intently over the past few days and = have been pleased to see the interaction and feedback. I feel compelled = to say a few things at this point: >>>=20 >>> Ken largely has it right; if we thought that the "ISP" customer base = was large enough and would spend enough money to support the forward = momentum of WSC we would certainly focus our efforts on giving that base = what they want. In your case, you say, essentially, that you would like = to continue to use WebDNA on your sites and due to years of existing = code it would burdensome for you to switch to WebDNA 7, thus it is not a = viable option for you. I am like you in that respect, though I presume = that you manage far more sites than I do since I have largely gotten out = of the "build/host websites for other people" business. I own an = unlimited commerce edition of WebDNA 6.2 for linux installed on a VPS = that I control where I have a handful of sites, mostly my own. I don't = use sandboxes since I'm the only one who gets under the hood of the = server and I use globals quite a bit -- in my case it's more as a = security measure than a code-centralization one. >>>=20 >>> Fact is, I won't be "upgrading" to WebDNA 7. I have no need for it = at this time. That is not to say that I won't have a need in the future = or that it's not useful; I probably will and it is. The kicker here of = course is that I'm the "marketing guy" for WSC so I'm supposedly = obligated to drink the kool-aid and set an example, but the fact of the = matter is, I'm not our target market anymore, and that was a major = eye-opener late last year and early this year when Chris and I were = discussing the future of WebDNA and how to market it. >>>=20 >>> So my point on this is that perhaps you don't need WebDNA 7 right = now, and that's okay. I'm still using Adobe CS4 and as much as Adobe = wants me to upgrade, I just don't need it right now. Don't feel = compelled to "upgrade", I won't be. I keep putting the word "upgrade" in = quotes because this new version of WebDNA, while it does fix some bugs = from previous versions, it is more of a stripping-down and a simplifying = of the product, as Chris has pointed out. It is for all intents and = purposes a new direction, and one that is based on the future of WebDNA = and the survival of WSC. It is our hope that this simplification allows = WebDNA to reach a desperately-needed wider audience. That is not to say = that we are leaving our current customer-base behind; we are not. We = still stand by and support all versions of WebDNA. >>>=20 >>> If WebDNA 7 proves to be successful and the resources are there then = who's to say that WebDNA 8 won't include globals or whatever feature = requests are demanded. So hang tight. Stick with your current version of = WebDNA. I am. Wait and see what happens, that's what I'm going to do. >>>=20 >>> Someone pointed out that there were maybe 20 people still using = WebDNA, and I can confidently say that that is not the case, but the = point is well-taken, and that is that WebDNA is not very popular these = days. Agreed. It is our intention to change that buy simplifying the = product into what is now WebDNA 7.0. But let's go ahead and use those = "20" people as an example to help illustrate the reality at hand. Let's = say, hypothetically that there are really only 20 people still using = WebDNA. Let's reasonably assume then, that they are "ISP" customers, and = that they by and large need WebDNA to stay the same in order for it to = remain a viable "upgrade" for them, even if that "upgrade" is simply = better support and/or documentation among other things. Okay, then I ask = all 20 of them to each send WSC, say, $5,000 and we'll make it happen. = "What?!" "Why would I do that?" "What's in it for me?" Exactly. Who in = their right mind would do that? Nobody, that's who. Now let's say that = instead of 20 customers, there were 200 or 2000 or 200000. Then the = amount "needed" would of course be $500, $50 or $5, respectively. Bottom = line, we need more customers, and that is where WebDNA 7. comes in. >>>=20 >>> Lastly, I'd like to acknowledge a few things in an official = capacity: I know that I have been pretty quiet for a "marketing guy", = but that doesn't mean that I'm not still around and acting on behalf of = WSC. Fact is, I submitted a marketing plan and budget to Chris at the = beginning of this year and he submitted it to the WSC shareholders in = April. All that is missing is funding. No funding, no marketing, = unfortunately. There is no way around it. Even if I had the time or = inclination to essentially donate my time to doing all of the various = tasks that need to be done (hint: I don't) to bring WebDNA 7 to market, = there are still the hard costs of advertising. Chris has been feverishly = working to raise that capital all year and I am confident that he will = come through, and in the meantime his efforts have been directed at = tightening up the screws on the new product and testing testing testing. >>>=20 >>> I apologize for the lengthy response, and Brian, this was not = directed at you, per se, but your opinions echo much of what the = important issues are for WSC at this time, so I used a response to you = as an opportunity to address the group. I realize many of you will have = questions as a result of this email and I'll do my best to respond to = each of them -- briefly of course :) >>>=20 >>> As always, long live WebDNA. >>>=20 >>> -- -Dan Strong >>> Chief Marketing Officer >>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>> http://www.webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list
. > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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This way both new and existing would contribute. On 27/10/2011, at 10:09 AM, Govinda wrote: > That probably factors in.. (or should).. but even since SmithMicro = days we see that the existing customer base (upgrades included) was not = enough. They/we need *new* people too... to keep Webdna alive. Just my = assumption/observation. I am not trying to influence, either way. >=20 > -G >=20 >> Dan >>=20 >> I fully agree to follow the money. >>=20 >> But consider this: I have 100+ domains running on WebDNA that will = stay on 6.x because they need a globals directory. >>=20 >> If v7 had access to a globals directory I would then have the option = of paying 100 upgrade fees. >>=20 >> Regards >>=20 >> Stuart Tremain >> IDFK Web Developments >> AUSTRALIA >> webdna@idfk.com.au >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 27/10/2011, at 6:12 AM, Dan Strong wrote: >>=20 >>> Brian, >>>=20 >>> I've been following this thread intently over the past few days and = have been pleased to see the interaction and feedback. I feel compelled = to say a few things at this point: >>>=20 >>> Ken largely has it right; if we thought that the "ISP" customer base = was large enough and would spend enough money to support the forward = momentum of WSC we would certainly focus our efforts on giving that base = what they want. In your case, you say, essentially, that you would like = to continue to use WebDNA on your sites and due to years of existing = code it would burdensome for you to switch to WebDNA 7, thus it is not a = viable option for you. I am like you in that respect, though I presume = that you manage far more sites than I do since I have largely gotten out = of the "build/host websites for other people" business. I own an = unlimited commerce edition of WebDNA 6.2 for linux installed on a VPS = that I control where I have a handful of sites, mostly my own. I don't = use sandboxes since I'm the only one who gets under the hood of the = server and I use globals quite a bit -- in my case it's more as a = security measure than a code-centralization one. >>>=20 >>> Fact is, I won't be "upgrading" to WebDNA 7. I have no need for it = at this time. That is not to say that I won't have a need in the future = or that it's not useful; I probably will and it is. The kicker here of = course is that I'm the "marketing guy" for WSC so I'm supposedly = obligated to drink the kool-aid and set an example, but the fact of the = matter is, I'm not our target market anymore, and that was a major = eye-opener late last year and early this year when Chris and I were = discussing the future of WebDNA and how to market it. >>>=20 >>> So my point on this is that perhaps you don't need WebDNA 7 right = now, and that's okay. I'm still using Adobe CS4 and as much as Adobe = wants me to upgrade, I just don't need it right now. Don't feel = compelled to "upgrade", I won't be. I keep putting the word "upgrade" in = quotes because this new version of WebDNA, while it does fix some bugs = from previous versions, it is more of a stripping-down and a simplifying = of the product, as Chris has pointed out. It is for all intents and = purposes a new direction, and one that is based on the future of WebDNA = and the survival of WSC. It is our hope that this simplification allows = WebDNA to reach a desperately-needed wider audience. That is not to say = that we are leaving our current customer-base behind; we are not. We = still stand by and support all versions of WebDNA. >>>=20 >>> If WebDNA 7 proves to be successful and the resources are there then = who's to say that WebDNA 8 won't include globals or whatever feature = requests are demanded. So hang tight. Stick with your current version of = WebDNA. I am. Wait and see what happens, that's what I'm going to do. >>>=20 >>> Someone pointed out that there were maybe 20 people still using = WebDNA, and I can confidently say that that is not the case, but the = point is well-taken, and that is that WebDNA is not very popular these = days. Agreed. It is our intention to change that buy simplifying the = product into what is now WebDNA 7.0. But let's go ahead and use those = "20" people as an example to help illustrate the reality at hand. Let's = say, hypothetically that there are really only 20 people still using = WebDNA. Let's reasonably assume then, that they are "ISP" customers, and = that they by and large need WebDNA to stay the same in order for it to = remain a viable "upgrade" for them, even if that "upgrade" is simply = better support and/or documentation among other things. Okay, then I ask = all 20 of them to each send WSC, say, $5,000 and we'll make it happen. = "What?!" "Why would I do that?" "What's in it for me?" Exactly. Who in = their right mind would do that? Nobody, that's who. Now let's say that = instead of 20 customers, there were 200 or 2000 or 200000. Then the = amount "needed" would of course be $500, $50 or $5, respectively. Bottom = line, we need more customers, and that is where WebDNA 7. comes in. >>>=20 >>> Lastly, I'd like to acknowledge a few things in an official = capacity: I know that I have been pretty quiet for a "marketing guy", = but that doesn't mean that I'm not still around and acting on behalf of = WSC. Fact is, I submitted a marketing plan and budget to Chris at the = beginning of this year and he submitted it to the WSC shareholders in = April. All that is missing is funding. No funding, no marketing, = unfortunately. There is no way around it. Even if I had the time or = inclination to essentially donate my time to doing all of the various = tasks that need to be done (hint: I don't) to bring WebDNA 7 to market, = there are still the hard costs of advertising. Chris has been feverishly = working to raise that capital all year and I am confident that he will = come through, and in the meantime his efforts have been directed at = tightening up the screws on the new product and testing testing testing. >>>=20 >>> I apologize for the lengthy response, and Brian, this was not = directed at you, per se, but your opinions echo much of what the = important issues are for WSC at this time, so I used a response to you = as an opportunity to address the group. I realize many of you will have = questions as a result of this email and I'll do my best to respond to = each of them -- briefly of course :) >>>=20 >>> As always, long live WebDNA. >>>=20 >>> -- -Dan Strong >>> Chief Marketing Officer >>> WebDNA Software Corporation >>> http://www.webdna.us >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us > Bug Reporting: support@webdna.us
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