Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA 7
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texte = That probably factors in.. (or should).. but even since SmithMicro days =we see that the existing customer base (upgrades included) was not =enough. They/we need *new* people too... to keep Webdna alive. Just my =assumption/observation. I am not trying to influence, either way.-G> Dan>=20> I fully agree to follow the money.>=20> But consider this: I have 100+ domains running on WebDNA that will =stay on 6.x because they need a globals directory.>=20> If v7 had access to a globals directory I would then have the option =of paying 100 upgrade fees.>=20> Regards>=20> Stuart Tremain> IDFK Web Developments> AUSTRALIA> webdna@idfk.com.au>=20>=20>=20>=20> On 27/10/2011, at 6:12 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>=20>> Brian,>>=20>> I've been following this thread intently over the past few days and =have been pleased to see the interaction and feedback. I feel compelled =to say a few things at this point:>>=20>> Ken largely has it right; if we thought that the "ISP" customer base =was large enough and would spend enough money to support the forward =momentum of WSC we would certainly focus our efforts on giving that base =what they want. In your case, you say, essentially, that you would like =to continue to use WebDNA on your sites and due to years of existing =code it would burdensome for you to switch to WebDNA 7, thus it is not a =viable option for you. I am like you in that respect, though I presume =that you manage far more sites than I do since I have largely gotten out =of the "build/host websites for other people" business. I own an =unlimited commerce edition of WebDNA 6.2 for linux installed on a VPS =that I control where I have a handful of sites, mostly my own. I don't =use sandboxes since I'm the only one who gets under the hood of the =server and I use globals quite a bit -- in my case it's more as a =security measure than a code-centralization one.>>=20>> Fact is, I won't be "upgrading" to WebDNA 7. I have no need for it at =this time. That is not to say that I won't have a need in the future or =that it's not useful; I probably will and it is. The kicker here of =course is that I'm the "marketing guy" for WSC so I'm supposedly =obligated to drink the kool-aid and set an example, but the fact of the =matter is, I'm not our target market anymore, and that was a major =eye-opener late last year and early this year when Chris and I were =discussing the future of WebDNA and how to market it.>>=20>> So my point on this is that perhaps you don't need WebDNA 7 right =now, and that's okay. I'm still using Adobe CS4 and as much as Adobe =wants me to upgrade, I just don't need it right now. Don't feel =compelled to "upgrade", I won't be. I keep putting the word "upgrade" in =quotes because this new version of WebDNA, while it does fix some bugs =from previous versions, it is more of a stripping-down and a simplifying =of the product, as Chris has pointed out. It is for all intents and =purposes a new direction, and one that is based on the future of WebDNA =and the survival of WSC. It is our hope that this simplification allows =WebDNA to reach a desperately-needed wider audience. That is not to say =that we are leaving our current customer-base behind; we are not. We =still stand by and support all versions of WebDNA.>>=20>> If WebDNA 7 proves to be successful and the resources are there then =who's to say that WebDNA 8 won't include globals or whatever feature =requests are demanded. So hang tight. Stick with your current version of =WebDNA. I am. Wait and see what happens, that's what I'm going to do.>>=20>> Someone pointed out that there were maybe 20 people still using =WebDNA, and I can confidently say that that is not the case, but the =point is well-taken, and that is that WebDNA is not very popular these =days. Agreed. It is our intention to change that buy simplifying the =product into what is now WebDNA 7.0. But let's go ahead and use those ="20" people as an example to help illustrate the reality at hand. Let's =say, hypothetically that there are really only 20 people still using =WebDNA. Let's reasonably assume then, that they are "ISP" customers, and =that they by and large need WebDNA to stay the same in order for it to =remain a viable "upgrade" for them, even if that "upgrade" is simply =better support and/or documentation among other things. Okay, then I ask =all 20 of them to each send WSC, say, $5,000 and we'll make it happen. ="What?!" "Why would I do that?" "What's in it for me?" Exactly. Who in =their right mind would do that? Nobody, that's who. Now let's say that =instead of 20 customers, there were 200 or 2000 or 200000. Then the =amount "needed" would of course be $500, $50 or $5, respectively. Bottom =line, we need more customers, and that is where WebDNA 7. comes in.>>=20>> Lastly, I'd like to acknowledge a few things in an official capacity: =I know that I have been pretty quiet for a "marketing guy", but that =doesn't mean that I'm not still around and acting on behalf of WSC. Fact =is, I submitted a marketing plan and budget to Chris at the beginning of =this year and he submitted it to the WSC shareholders in April. All that =is missing is funding. No funding, no marketing, unfortunately. There is =no way around it. Even if I had the time or inclination to essentially =donate my time to doing all of the various tasks that need to be done =(hint: I don't) to bring WebDNA 7 to market, there are still the hard =costs of advertising. Chris has been feverishly working to raise that =capital all year and I am confident that he will come through, and in =the meantime his efforts have been directed at tightening up the screws =on the new product and testing testing testing.>>=20>> I apologize for the lengthy response, and Brian, this was not =directed at you, per se, but your opinions echo much of what the =important issues are for WSC at this time, so I used a response to you =as an opportunity to address the group. I realize many of you will have =questions as a result of this email and I'll do my best to respond to =each of them -- briefly of course :)>>=20>> As always, long live WebDNA.>>=20>> -- -Dan Strong>> Chief Marketing Officer>> WebDNA Software Corporation>> http://www.webdna.us
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That probably factors in.. (or should).. but even since SmithMicro days =we see that the existing customer base (upgrades included) was not =enough. They/we need *new* people too... to keep Webdna alive. Just my =assumption/observation. I am not trying to influence, either way.-G> Dan>=20> I fully agree to follow the money.>=20> But consider this: I have 100+ domains running on WebDNA that will =stay on 6.x because they need a globals directory.>=20> If v7 had access to a globals directory I would then have the option =of paying 100 upgrade fees.>=20> Regards>=20> Stuart Tremain> IDFK Web Developments> AUSTRALIA> webdna@idfk.com.au>=20>=20>=20>=20> On 27/10/2011, at 6:12 AM, Dan Strong wrote:>=20>> Brian,>>=20>> I've been following this thread intently over the past few days and =have been pleased to see the interaction and feedback. I feel compelled =to say a few things at this point:>>=20>> Ken largely has it right; if we thought that the "ISP" customer base =was large enough and would spend enough money to support the forward =momentum of WSC we would certainly focus our efforts on giving that base =what they want. In your case, you say, essentially, that you would like =to continue to use WebDNA on your sites and due to years of existing =code it would burdensome for you to switch to WebDNA 7, thus it is not a =viable option for you. I am like you in that respect, though I presume =that you manage far more sites than I do since I have largely gotten out =of the "build/host websites for other people" business. I own an =unlimited commerce edition of WebDNA 6.2 for linux installed on a VPS =that I control where I have a handful of sites, mostly my own. I don't =use sandboxes since I'm the only one who gets under the hood of the =server and I use globals quite a bit -- in my case it's more as a =security measure than a code-centralization one.>>=20>> Fact is, I won't be "upgrading" to WebDNA 7. I have no need for it at =this time. That is not to say that I won't have a need in the future or =that it's not useful; I probably will and it is. The kicker here of =course is that I'm the "marketing guy" for WSC so I'm supposedly =obligated to drink the kool-aid and set an example, but the fact of the =matter is, I'm not our target market anymore, and that was a major =eye-opener late last year and early this year when Chris and I were =discussing the future of WebDNA and how to market it.>>=20>> So my point on this is that perhaps you don't need WebDNA 7 right =now, and that's okay. I'm still using Adobe CS4 and as much as Adobe =wants me to upgrade, I just don't need it right now. Don't feel =compelled to "upgrade", I won't be. I keep putting the word "upgrade" in =quotes because this new version of WebDNA, while it does fix some bugs =from previous versions, it is more of a stripping-down and a simplifying =of the product, as Chris has pointed out. It is for all intents and =purposes a new direction, and one that is based on the future of WebDNA =and the survival of WSC. It is our hope that this simplification allows =WebDNA to reach a desperately-needed wider audience. That is not to say =that we are leaving our current customer-base behind; we are not. We =still stand by and support all versions of WebDNA.>>=20>> If WebDNA 7 proves to be successful and the resources are there then =who's to say that WebDNA 8 won't include globals or whatever feature =requests are demanded. So hang tight. Stick with your current version of =WebDNA. I am. Wait and see what happens, that's what I'm going to do.>>=20>> Someone pointed out that there were maybe 20 people still using =WebDNA, and I can confidently say that that is not the case, but the =point is well-taken, and that is that WebDNA is not very popular these =days. Agreed. It is our intention to change that buy simplifying the =product into what is now WebDNA 7.0. But let's go ahead and use those ="20" people as an example to help illustrate the reality at hand. Let's =say, hypothetically that there are really only 20 people still using =WebDNA. Let's reasonably assume then, that they are "ISP" customers, and =that they by and large need WebDNA to stay the same in order for it to =remain a viable "upgrade" for them, even if that "upgrade" is simply =better support and/or documentation among other things. Okay, then I ask =all 20 of them to each send WSC, say, $5,000 and we'll make it happen. ="What?!" "Why would I do that?" "What's in it for me?" Exactly. Who in =their right mind would do that? Nobody, that's who. Now let's say that =instead of 20 customers, there were 200 or 2000 or 200000. Then the =amount "needed" would of course be $500, $50 or $5, respectively. Bottom =line, we need more customers, and that is where WebDNA 7. comes in.>>=20>> Lastly, I'd like to acknowledge a few things in an official capacity: =I know that I have been pretty quiet for a "marketing guy", but that =doesn't mean that I'm not still around and acting on behalf of WSC. Fact =is, I submitted a marketing plan and budget to Chris at the beginning of =this year and he submitted it to the WSC shareholders in April. All that =is missing is funding. No funding, no marketing, unfortunately. There is =no way around it. Even if I had the time or inclination to essentially =donate my time to doing all of the various tasks that need to be done =(hint: I don't) to bring WebDNA 7 to market, there are still the hard =costs of advertising. Chris has been feverishly working to raise that =capital all year and I am confident that he will come through, and in =the meantime his efforts have been directed at tightening up the screws =on the new product and testing testing testing.>>=20>> I apologize for the lengthy response, and Brian, this was not =directed at you, per se, but your opinions echo much of what the =important issues are for WSC at this time, so I used a response to you =as an opportunity to address the group. I realize many of you will have =questions as a result of this email and I'll do my best to respond to =each of them -- briefly of course :)>>=20>> As always, long live WebDNA.>>=20>> -- -Dan Strong>> Chief Marketing Officer>> WebDNA Software Corporation>> http://www.webdna.us
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