Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA future
This WebDNA talk-list message is from 2010
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texte = Terry Wilson wrote: > Exactly my thoughts. Now that PHP is running at every ISP, our job is a > little harder now than it would have been 5 or 10 years ago. I think the > FastCGI solution is step in the right direction though, to allow > independent programmers to get their feet wet without any real investment. > > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:13:05 -0600 > Kenneth Grome
wrote: > >> What is the 1 thing that you think SMSI could have done > >>better when > >> they owned WebDNA to make it a more successful product > >>(aside from the > >> blatantly obvious end-of-support)? > > > > Marketing. > > > > So far every entity that has owned it has failed to > >market it effectively. > > > > Remember, Bill Gates did not have a better product, he > >simply marketed what he had. > > > > Sincerely, > > Kenneth Grome > > www.KenGrome.com If nothing else could be done, If no other resources where available, that is where I'd put the resources, first (which I tried to do). Look, I want to be a bit revealing in my public remarks without "airing dirty laundry"... because I want to see WebDNA thrive some day... Chris and I had to deal with a *very* tight budget at times as well as limited resources at times. Also, I don't think it's a secret that Chris is invested, perhaps more than any other, in this venture. So, I don't take anything away from his contribution, nor his decisions that have obviously been considered carefully by him considering his major investment... but, so far, Dan's videos are the *only* clever marketing that WSC has done... and WSC didn't do them! ;-) We talked about many things, but talk isn't action. Yes, our initial effort with marketing (MacWorld) was not as productive as hoped (which I take responsibility for, and which I think Christophe was not happy about). But, it *was* allocating resources towards the number 1 concern... marketing. One or two other things were tried that didn't work very well... but WSC's marketing should not halt just because of a couple less-than-desired efforts, right!? Live, learn, then try again. Clever and roll-up-the-sleeves marketing is the only reason that "ISP's [server owners and administrators] are not buying our product" (paraphrasing). Note, I would disagree and say that we are indeed making sales to ISP's. Look, WebDNA is still here because of the talk list members... and I think it's important at this time, to get your input. WebDNA is not in trouble so to speak, but it is my opinion that Chris could use some real help with the venture. He may or may not be asking.. but as a shareholder, I am asking. I've had my fill for a while.. ;-).. so maybe someone else out there is in the position, or has the desire to come forward? Chris has always been open to listening to that kind of thing I think.. so I suggest anyone that may want to help WebDNA out.. time,money,position with the company.. to talk to Christohpe. For "WebDNA's Future". (how's that for bold remarks without airing dirty laundry?) ;-) Donovan -- Donovan Brooke Euca Design Center [Practical-Ethical-Efficient] www.euca.us egg.bz artglass-forum.com
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Terry Wilson wrote: > Exactly my thoughts. Now that PHP is running at every ISP, our job is a > little harder now than it would have been 5 or 10 years ago. I think the > FastCGI solution is step in the right direction though, to allow > independent programmers to get their feet wet without any real investment. > > > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:13:05 -0600 > Kenneth Grome wrote: > >> What is the 1 thing that you think SMSI could have done > >>better when > >> they owned WebDNA to make it a more successful product > >>(aside from the > >> blatantly obvious end-of-support)? > > > > Marketing. > > > > So far every entity that has owned it has failed to > >market it effectively. > > > > Remember, Bill Gates did not have a better product, he > >simply marketed what he had. > > > > Sincerely, > > Kenneth Grome > > www.KenGrome.com If nothing else could be done, If no other resources where available, that is where I'd put the resources, first (which I tried to do). Look, I want to be a bit revealing in my public remarks without "airing dirty laundry"... because I want to see WebDNA thrive some day... Chris and I had to deal with a *very* tight budget at times as well as limited resources at times. Also, I don't think it's a secret that Chris is invested, perhaps more than any other, in this venture. So, I don't take anything away from his contribution, nor his decisions that have obviously been considered carefully by him considering his major investment... but, so far, Dan's videos are the *only* clever marketing that WSC has done... and WSC didn't do them! ;-) We talked about many things, but talk isn't action. Yes, our initial effort with marketing (MacWorld) was not as productive as hoped (which I take responsibility for, and which I think Christophe was not happy about). But, it *was* allocating resources towards the number 1 concern... marketing. One or two other things were tried that didn't work very well... but WSC's marketing should not halt just because of a couple less-than-desired efforts, right!? Live, learn, then try again. Clever and roll-up-the-sleeves marketing is the only reason that "ISP's [server owners and administrators] are not buying our product" (paraphrasing). Note, I would disagree and say that we are indeed making sales to ISP's. Look, WebDNA is still here because of the Talk List members... and I think it's important at this time, to get your input. WebDNA is not in trouble so to speak, but it is my opinion that Chris could use some real help with the venture. He may or may not be asking.. but as a shareholder, I am asking. I've had my fill for a while.. ;-).. so maybe someone else out there is in the position, or has the desire to come forward? Chris has always been open to listening to that kind of thing I think.. so I suggest anyone that may want to help WebDNA out.. time,money,position with the company.. to talk to Christohpe. For "WebDNA's Future". (how's that for bold remarks without airing dirty laundry?) ;-) Donovan -- Donovan Brooke Euca Design Center [Practical-Ethical-Efficient] www.euca.us egg.bz artglass-forum.com
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