Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA future
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texte = Kenneth Grome wrote: >>> I have offered to help absolutely free of charge ... >> Ken, your "help" was a purchase offer... > > That's not what I'm talking about. > > Last year I successfully arranged a cooperative effort between WebDNA and Sun Microsystems. They agreed to work with WSC to create a new version of WebDNA that installs and runs under Sun's popular server OS's. They normally charge $250 per hour for such service but I got them to offer this service free of charge. All you had to do was provide the source code so I could volunteer my time and effort to work with Sun on WSC's behalf until we succeeded in our goals ... but you rejected Sun's offer and mine. > > Now you're back online and asking for help again. I cannot help but wonder what kind of help I can arrange that you will reject again this year? Or have you become more willing to accept such help this year? Have your policies changed since last year when I had to go back to Sun with my tail between my legs and try to explain how a little no-name company like WSC would have the balls to reject such a generous and potentially valuable offer from a wildly successful company like Sun? > > ---------------------------- > > Sorry for the attitude, I sometimes get pissed off at the short sightedness of the people I try to work with. Yes I'm saying your decision in this matter was short-sighted. That's just how I feel. > > I shouldn't let it bother me because I know WebDNA is your software so you can do anything you want with it, and with WSC. But I don't like to "piddle around" when it comes to making things happen, so instead of offering to contribute some little script that almost any WebDNA programmer could write I decided to try something big. I really didn't expect Sun to talk to me much less cooperate -- but they did -- and they really wanted to get WebDNA built for their OS's (believe it or not). > > But by passing on their offer you have made me believe that you are not willing to take full advantage of exceptional opportunities when they are handed to you on a platter. And if you're not willing to jump on great opportunities that come along once in a lifetime, I just don't know if I believe that you have what it takes to make WebDNA succeed. > > As I see it now you're still trapped in the same situation you were in a year and a half ago when many of us were pushing you to open source the software: > >> What i see so far is that we are either comparing to >> OpenSource (PHP) with literally hundred of developpers >> giving a hand and a huge community , or ultra-rich and >> large companies (Adobe with ColdFusion, Microsoft with >> ASP and .Net, Oracle with MySQL...). > > I think this is the crux of the matter. You company is positioned in no-man's land. You're not rich enough to compete with the big boys, and you're too stubborn to go open source and start profiting from the value a growing family of volunteer programmers will offer to WSC once they get a taste of their favorite new server-side scripting language ... :) > > So where does this leave you? I still don't understand how you plan to expand in this market. At least you released a new version of WebDNA and I THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for doing this. That's a really good thing to do, especially for the folks who have been using it for years! > > Just remember, if you ever decide to take advantage of the thousands of volunteer programmers who are so willing to work on open source software project, all you really have to do is reconsider the open source solution. It works. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.KenGrome.com Bat Guano. :) Donovan -- Donovan Brooke Euca Design Center [Practical-Ethical-Efficient] www.euca.us egg.bz artglass-forum.com
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Kenneth Grome wrote: >>> I have offered to help absolutely free of charge ... >> Ken, your "help" was a purchase offer... > > That's not what I'm talking about. > > Last year I successfully arranged a cooperative effort between WebDNA and Sun Microsystems. They agreed to work with WSC to create a new version of WebDNA that installs and runs under Sun's popular server OS's. They normally charge $250 per hour for such service but I got them to offer this service free of charge. All you had to do was provide the source code so I could volunteer my time and effort to work with Sun on WSC's behalf until we succeeded in our goals ... but you rejected Sun's offer and mine. > > Now you're back online and asking for help again. I cannot help but wonder what kind of help I can arrange that you will reject again this year? Or have you become more willing to accept such help this year? Have your policies changed since last year when I had to go back to Sun with my tail between my legs and try to explain how a little no-name company like WSC would have the balls to reject such a generous and potentially valuable offer from a wildly successful company like Sun? > > ---------------------------- > > Sorry for the attitude, I sometimes get pissed off at the short sightedness of the people I try to work with. Yes I'm saying your decision in this matter was short-sighted. That's just how I feel. > > I shouldn't let it bother me because I know WebDNA is your software so you can do anything you want with it, and with WSC. But I don't like to "piddle around" when it comes to making things happen, so instead of offering to contribute some little script that almost any WebDNA programmer could write I decided to try something big. I really didn't expect Sun to talk to me much less cooperate -- but they did -- and they really wanted to get WebDNA built for their OS's (believe it or not). > > But by passing on their offer you have made me believe that you are not willing to take full advantage of exceptional opportunities when they are handed to you on a platter. And if you're not willing to jump on great opportunities that come along once in a lifetime, I just don't know if I believe that you have what it takes to make WebDNA succeed. > > As I see it now you're still trapped in the same situation you were in a year and a half ago when many of us were pushing you to open source the software: > >> What i see so far is that we are either comparing to >> OpenSource (PHP) with literally hundred of developpers >> giving a hand and a huge community , or ultra-rich and >> large companies (Adobe with ColdFusion, Microsoft with >> ASP and .Net, Oracle with MySQL...). > > I think this is the crux of the matter. You company is positioned in no-man's land. You're not rich enough to compete with the big boys, and you're too stubborn to go open source and start profiting from the value a growing family of volunteer programmers will offer to WSC once they get a taste of their favorite new server-side scripting language ... :) > > So where does this leave you? I still don't understand how you plan to expand in this market. At least you released a new version of WebDNA and I THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for doing this. That's a really good thing to do, especially for the folks who have been using it for years! > > Just remember, if you ever decide to take advantage of the thousands of volunteer programmers who are so willing to work on open source software project, all you really have to do is reconsider the open source solution. It works. > > Sincerely, > Kenneth Grome > www.KenGrome.com Bat Guano. :) Donovan -- Donovan Brooke Euca Design Center [Practical-Ethical-Efficient] www.euca.us egg.bz artglass-forum.com
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