Re: Smith Micro - no competition
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texte = on 1/25/00 1:48 PM, Alex McCombie at Alex@NewWorldMedia.com wrote:> Jeff, > No offense, but telling someone they don't know how to market your > business only serves to qualify your experience, not theirs. > > In fact, development jobs in our typical price range not only demand > full disclosure but are often hinged on the platform. > > Point in fact.... everyone saw my requests a few weeks ago for the white > papers comparing WebDNA with ASP and CF and Oracle. SM was not able to > release any information to me in time and the 250k development job went the > way of ASP. While we tried to show the benefits of WebCat in performance and > functionality, their TEAM of researchers could not find justifiable evidence > that would allow them to take the _risk_ of developing in this relatively > unknown platform. > > Quite simply, corporate clients that are spending double digit > percentages on their new WWW initiatives have many valid issues including > history of the platform (stability and longevity), ongoing training and > support, alignment with current corporate directions, and cost of > maintenance. No work would even be considered for award without full > disclosure to address these issues. > > I would have been far more upset had we not been the vendor that won the > ASP contract, but having to go that route and go the way of ASP is a true > tragedy in my opinion.We just went through this same thing with a 30,000+ employee medical provider. After consulting with their internal technical staff along with board members for over 6 months (most of which was product evaluations), they selected Cold Fusion for their long term intra/internet projects. At least it was not ASP ;) But with lack of direct side by side information, a track history, and future goals of their product (this was a big one, its a smaller, unknown product, will support exist for it in say 3 to 5 years? Is their a large enough development force out there to hire people into the development department?)So normally on the large scale client site Webcatalog has not come out well, and for our own smaller clients, administration is becoming a big issue. People would like us to develop the back-end part of their sites, but still allow them freedom to FTP files, change images, etc any time of day. So the whole development server ----> production server idea does not work well, when they can go to a hosting/development company that will do what they want in say PHP3/mySQl and still allow them full FTP access, etc. In this case we have chosen to go with MGI (for now on the MacOS, but in the future when released, Apache/Linux like our main servers, where people currently are having to deal with PHP3/Perl/etc. for even simple things, which could be taken care of by MGI tags like banner rotation, e-mail forms, etc... stuff that right now at times we have to edit perl scripts to configure them for a certain task, where tags in Webcatalog or MGI are great at handling, but with the lack of major support in a multi-client setup, Webcatalog just is not the tool for us anymore... and hey in 2 to 3 years MGI may not be either.We are over the part of this could be better, this is nice stage, Webcatalog is great for a single server, single person/small development team, but is in our opinion lacking in the low-end hosting and high end development markets... But that is not again a bad thing, just does not fit our overall needs.I wish everyone the best with their projects, current and future... but as of today I will only be browsing through a digest of the list daily for possible issues while we migrate to other avenues.Janet Lane ------------------------------------------------------------- Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant Messaging Server. To end your Mail problems go to
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on 1/25/00 1:48 PM, Alex McCombie at Alex@NewWorldMedia.com wrote:> Jeff, > No offense, but telling someone they don't know how to market your > business only serves to qualify your experience, not theirs. > > In fact, development jobs in our typical price range not only demand > full disclosure but are often hinged on the platform. > > Point in fact.... everyone saw my requests a few weeks ago for the white > papers comparing WebDNA with ASP and CF and Oracle. SM was not able to > release any information to me in time and the 250k development job went the > way of ASP. While we tried to show the benefits of WebCat in performance and > functionality, their TEAM of researchers could not find justifiable evidence > that would allow them to take the _risk_ of developing in this relatively > unknown platform. > > Quite simply, corporate clients that are spending double digit > percentages on their new WWW initiatives have many valid issues including > history of the platform (stability and longevity), ongoing training and > support, alignment with current corporate directions, and cost of > maintenance. No work would even be considered for award without full > disclosure to address these issues. > > I would have been far more upset had we not been the vendor that won the > ASP contract, but having to go that route and go the way of ASP is a true > tragedy in my opinion.We just went through this same thing with a 30,000+ employee medical provider. After consulting with their internal technical staff along with board members for over 6 months (most of which was product evaluations), they selected Cold Fusion for their long term intra/internet projects. At least it was not ASP ;) But with lack of direct side by side information, a track history, and future goals of their product (this was a big one, its a smaller, unknown product, will support exist for it in say 3 to 5 years? Is their a large enough development force out there to hire people into the development department?)So normally on the large scale client site Webcatalog has not come out well, and for our own smaller clients, administration is becoming a big issue. People would like us to develop the back-end part of their sites, but still allow them freedom to FTP files, change images, etc any time of day. So the whole development server ----> production server idea does not work well, when they can go to a hosting/development company that will do what they want in say PHP3/mySQl and still allow them full FTP access, etc. In this case we have chosen to go with MGI (for now on the MacOS, but in the future when released, Apache/Linux like our main servers, where people currently are having to deal with PHP3/Perl/etc. for even simple things, which could be taken care of by MGI tags like banner rotation, e-mail forms, etc... stuff that right now at times we have to edit perl scripts to configure them for a certain task, where tags in Webcatalog or MGI are great at handling, but with the lack of major support in a multi-client setup, Webcatalog just is not the tool for us anymore... and hey in 2 to 3 years MGI may not be either.We are over the part of this could be better, this is nice stage, Webcatalog is great for a single server, single person/small development team, but is in our opinion lacking in the low-end hosting and high end development markets... But that is not again a bad thing, just does not fit our overall needs.I wish everyone the best with their projects, current and future... but as of today I will only be browsing through a digest of the list daily for possible issues while we migrate to other avenues.Janet Lane ------------------------------------------------------------- Brought to you by CommuniGate Pro - The Buzz Word Compliant Messaging Server. To end your Mail problems go to .This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to
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