Re: Two options to consider

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2008


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texte = Not sure the forum is such a good idea since (I assume) it's publicly viewable. If you can lock it down (or at least a single thread), then I'm in, otherwise a separate talklist is a slightly better option, IMO. Another thing to consider is that if we're serious about this, we need to keep it private (i.e. no SMSI spies) otherwise we lose leverage, regardless of what option we choose. It would be like military commanders discussing battleplans on the internet in real time. Not wise, you know? -Dan On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:19:08 -0400 Claude Gelinas wrote: > Plan B... > > If the list members are looking for a safe place to discuss, my (PHP / MySQL-based) forum is >open to everyone (yes, I make money from AdSense, like everybody else): > > http://forum.webdna.ca/index.php?board=68.0 > > It's just a suggestion, in case this list ever becomes censored. Keeping the forum as a backup >plan could prove to be a wise decision. Plan Bs can come in handy... > >Furthermore, I'm on the first results page, in Google, when you type "webdna" ; ) > > My wish is for WebDNA to go open source, like PHP — then, we'd be going somewhere! > > > > Le 08-04-16 à 23:04, Dan Strong a écrit : > >> I say we try option #2 first. My wife works in a law firm and I have >> friends who are lawyers, one of whom is an IP attorney in SM's >> backyard (San Diego). Perhaps they'd be willing to settle for some >> version of option #1 after looking down the barrel of a class- >> action. I'm really not happy with these ass-clowns at the moment. >> Either way, we should move this dicussion off-list, IMO, if we hope >> to have any kind of true leverage. I'd be willing to host a list (I >> use Communigate as well), as I'm sure others would, but allow me to >> be the first to offer. >> -Dan >> >> >> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:15:58 +1200 >> "Diane Blackmore (Cohesion)" wrote: >>> Hi >>> Since everyone's experiencing so much fun with WebDNA at the >>> moment, and >>> we're all on the same page with that we love WebDNA but not >>> SmithMicro for >>> how they've treated us and their software product, what does >>> everyone think >>> about either of the following options; >>> 1. Presenting SM with a collective option to sell WebDNA (or even >>> better, >>> make open source). If we all have sufficient interest, it may be >>> possible to >>> get them to loosen their grip on their IP, or enter into some sort >>> of JV. >>> "If you don't ask, you don't get". OR; >>> 2. Assembling a class action law suit against SM for fraudulently >>> mis-representing their intentions with WebDNA to mislead customers >>> (us) into >>> thinking that our development platform had a future, thereby >>> promoting sales >>> of a product that they knew to be defunct. >>> Any takers on either option?? I'll volunteer to head up either >>> effort if I >>> can be assured of some support - If no-one is keen, my war would be >>> in vain >>> if I won it just to be the last one on the planet using it. >>> Let me know people....... >>> Thanks, >>> on 15/4/08 5:54 PM, Stuart Tremain at webdna@idfk.com.au wrote: >>>> Thanks Christer :) >>>> Regards >>>> Stuart Tremain >>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>> AUSTRALIA >>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>> On 15/04/2008, at 3:35 PM, Christer Olsson wrote: >>>>> It's all in the RFC: >>>>> >>>>> Basically you should just have to add "&secure=" to your SETCOOKIE >>>>> tag, but WebDNA doesn't seem to add the attribute, so you have to >>>>> use a simple hack instead: add the text "; to your value parameter, >>>>> like >>>>> [SETCOOKIE name=mySecureCookie2&value=Hello!; secure&domain=www.mydomain.com >>>>> ] >>>>> Best, >>>>> Christer >>>>> ************************************************************* >>>>> Christer Olsson PO Box 9160 Phone +46 40 25 85 85 >>>>> Ljusa Idéer AB SE-200 39 Malmo Fax +46 40 25 85 89 >>>>> Kantyxegatan 5 Sweden http://www.ljusaideer.se >>>>> 15 apr 2008 kl. 01.00 skrev Stuart Tremain: >>>>>> Any ideas on the cookies ???? >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>> On 12/04/2008, at 7:24 AM, Stuart Tremain wrote: >>>>>>> I have had a hacker safe report about a site that returns a >>>>>>> vulnerability: >>>>>>> "Missing Secure Attribute in an Encrypted Session (SSL) Cookie" >>>>>>> Is there a secure switch in the WebDNA [SetCookie] ? >>>>>>> Or would I just put :443 on the end of the domain ? >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>>> >>>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>> >>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> > >>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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  1. Re: Two options to consider ( Terry Wilson 2008)
  2. Re: Two options to consider ( "Dan Strong" 2008)
  3. Re: Two options to consider ( "Planet DJ (Chris W.)" 2008)
  4. Re: Two options to consider ( Paul Willis 2008)
  5. Re: Two options to consider ( "Dan Strong" 2008)
  6. Re: Two options to consider ( "Dan Strong" 2008)
  7. Re: Two options to consider ( "Dan Strong" 2008)
  8. Re: Two options to consider ( Frank Nordberg 2008)
  9. Re: Two options to consider ( Stuart Tremain 2008)
  10. Re: Two options to consider ( Frank Nordberg 2008)
  11. Re: Two options to consider ( "Diane Blackmore (Cohesion)" 2008)
  12. Re: Two options to consider ( Steve Craig 2008)
  13. Re: Two options to consider ( Stuart Tremain 2008)
  14. Re: Two options to consider ( Dean Smith 2008)
  15. Re: Two options to consider ( Rob 2008)
  16. Re: Two options to consider ( Phil Herring 2008)
  17. Re: Two options to consider ( Claude Gelinas 2008)
  18. Re: Two options to consider ( "Will Starck" 2008)
  19. Re: Two options to consider ( "Will Starck" 2008)
  20. Re: Two options to consider ( "Dan Strong" 2008)
  21. Re: Two options to consider ( "Dan Strong" 2008)
  22. Re: Two options to consider ( "Terry Nair" 2008)
  23. Re: Two options to consider ( "Brian B. Burton" 2008)
  24. Re: Two options to consider ( Marc Thompson 2008)
  25. Re: Two options to consider ( Stuart Tremain 2008)
  26. Two options to consider ( "Diane Blackmore (Cohesion)" 2008)
Not sure the forum is such a good idea since (I assume) it's publicly viewable. If you can lock it down (or at least a single thread), then I'm in, otherwise a separate talklist is a slightly better option, IMO. Another thing to consider is that if we're serious about this, we need to keep it private (i.e. no SMSI spies) otherwise we lose leverage, regardless of what option we choose. It would be like military commanders discussing battleplans on the internet in real time. Not wise, you know? -Dan On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:19:08 -0400 Claude Gelinas wrote: > Plan B... > > If the list members are looking for a safe place to discuss, my (PHP / MySQL-based) forum is >open to everyone (yes, I make money from AdSense, like everybody else): > > http://forum.webdna.ca/index.php?board=68.0 > > It's just a suggestion, in case this list ever becomes censored. Keeping the forum as a backup >plan could prove to be a wise decision. Plan Bs can come in handy... > >Furthermore, I'm on the first results page, in Google, when you type "webdna" ; ) > > My wish is for WebDNA to go open source, like PHP — then, we'd be going somewhere! > > > > Le 08-04-16 à 23:04, Dan Strong a écrit : > >> I say we try option #2 first. My wife works in a law firm and I have >> friends who are lawyers, one of whom is an IP attorney in SM's >> backyard (San Diego). Perhaps they'd be willing to settle for some >> version of option #1 after looking down the barrel of a class- >> action. I'm really not happy with these ass-clowns at the moment. >> Either way, we should move this dicussion off-list, IMO, if we hope >> to have any kind of true leverage. I'd be willing to host a list (I >> use Communigate as well), as I'm sure others would, but allow me to >> be the first to offer. >> -Dan >> >> >> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:15:58 +1200 >> "Diane Blackmore (Cohesion)" wrote: >>> Hi >>> Since everyone's experiencing so much fun with WebDNA at the >>> moment, and >>> we're all on the same page with that we love WebDNA but not >>> SmithMicro for >>> how they've treated us and their software product, what does >>> everyone think >>> about either of the following options; >>> 1. Presenting SM with a collective option to sell WebDNA (or even >>> better, >>> make open source). If we all have sufficient interest, it may be >>> possible to >>> get them to loosen their grip on their IP, or enter into some sort >>> of JV. >>> "If you don't ask, you don't get". OR; >>> 2. Assembling a class action law suit against SM for fraudulently >>> mis-representing their intentions with WebDNA to mislead customers >>> (us) into >>> thinking that our development platform had a future, thereby >>> promoting sales >>> of a product that they knew to be defunct. >>> Any takers on either option?? I'll volunteer to head up either >>> effort if I >>> can be assured of some support - If no-one is keen, my war would be >>> in vain >>> if I won it just to be the last one on the planet using it. >>> Let me know people....... >>> Thanks, >>> on 15/4/08 5:54 PM, Stuart Tremain at webdna@idfk.com.au wrote: >>>> Thanks Christer :) >>>> Regards >>>> Stuart Tremain >>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>> AUSTRALIA >>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>> On 15/04/2008, at 3:35 PM, Christer Olsson wrote: >>>>> It's all in the RFC: >>>>> >>>>> Basically you should just have to add "&secure=" to your SETCOOKIE >>>>> tag, but WebDNA doesn't seem to add the attribute, so you have to >>>>> use a simple hack instead: add the text "; to your value parameter, >>>>> like >>>>> [SETCOOKIE name=mySecureCookie2&value=Hello!; secure&domain=www.mydomain.com >>>>> ] >>>>> Best, >>>>> Christer >>>>> ************************************************************* >>>>> Christer Olsson PO Box 9160 Phone +46 40 25 85 85 >>>>> Ljusa Idéer AB SE-200 39 Malmo Fax +46 40 25 85 89 >>>>> Kantyxegatan 5 Sweden http://www.ljusaideer.se >>>>> 15 apr 2008 kl. 01.00 skrev Stuart Tremain: >>>>>> Any ideas on the cookies ???? >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>> On 12/04/2008, at 7:24 AM, Stuart Tremain wrote: >>>>>>> I have had a hacker safe report about a site that returns a >>>>>>> vulnerability: >>>>>>> "Missing Secure Attribute in an Encrypted Session (SSL) Cookie" >>>>>>> Is there a secure switch in the WebDNA [SetCookie] ? >>>>>>> Or would I just put :443 on the end of the domain ? >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Stuart Tremain >>>>>>> IDFK Web Developments >>>>>>> AUSTRALIA >>>>>>> webdna@idfk.com.au >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>>> >>>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>>> the mailing list . >>>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>>> >>>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>>> the mailing list . >>>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>>> the mailing list . >>>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >>>> >>>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >>> the mailing list . >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >>> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> > >>> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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