Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA on LiveCD ...
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It keeps the original formatting.
numero = 101106
interpreted = N
texte = --=====================_155558484==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" [rant] And I don't want to sound overly negative here, but my question has been - how do you convince web-design firms and individual programmers to switch to a product that: 1. Has up front costs as opposed to the free PHP? 2. Has the most minuscule number of coders as compared to the (again) free PHP? 3. Isn't taught in grade school, colleges or tech schools like the (again, again) free PHP? 4. Is hard to find hosting for, and doesn't come pre-packaged with Apache and other popular web server and other open-sourced software? 5. Has no (as in ZERO) books, online tutorials, instruction on how to use (ok, aside from the obscure web-docs) or other printed materials? None of this is revelation to us here. We know what we face. I suppose that the answers to the above questions lay in how this product is marketed (as Donovan and team are obviously working on, and list members like Ken are throwing ideas in to) but what is the incentive to either a) switch to it or b) learn it in the first place? The one obvious point is the ease of use, power and simple syntax. I just hope that a compelling argument can be made and presented to show those incentives and that they are enough to convince the public to fork out the money for something that they can otherwise get for free and is much more widely supported and recognized. I suppose though, that this is the point of such a thread as "WebDNA on LiveCD"; to get ideas kicking. [/rant] GJK At 02:55 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >> Its not bad for a test, just not sure if it brings in >> developers like the word "FREE" > >So make it FREE -- not the software but at least the CD! > >Get someone to create the system and burn the CD's (it's >advertising so the money comes from the advertising budget) >and then WSC can distribute them to us so we can hand them >out to everyone we know who might be interested. > >Distribute them in colleges to their programming students >and professors. Make the .iso file downloadable at the WSC >website so people can burn their own CD's if they cannot >find someone to give them one. Make the CD's available >online for $5 to cover postage and offer a $10 rebate when >they buy a license to help defray the postage expense they >had to pay in advance. > >There are SO MANY WAYS a physical thing like a CD can be >used for advertising purposes -- and people actually >remember it when someone hands then a CD -- vs. the >impersonal feeling of downloading a file from the website. > >------------------------ > >A nice video presentation on the CD that quickly *shows* >everyone what they should do get started makes it even >better -- and put a copy of this video on YouTube too so it >drums up even more interest. > >Hehe, I'm just getting started with the ideas here! > >------------------------ > >If the goal is to get the software in the hands of people >quickly you do NOT simply sit back and "talk about it" or >hope and pray that potential buyers are fortunate enough to >find it online. Instead you become pro-active -- and get >out there and hand the CD's out yourself. > >Yeah, it takes time and effort and money, but what do you >expect? Anything that's worth it usually does ... :) > >Sincerely, >Ken Grome >--------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >the mailing list
. >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --=====================_155558484==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [rant]
And I don't want to sound overly negative here, but my question has been - how do you convince web-design firms and individual programmers to switch to a product that:
1. Has up front costs as opposed to the free PHP?
2. Has the most minuscule number of coders as compared to the (again) free PHP?
3. Isn't taught in grade school, colleges or tech schools like the (again, again) free PHP?
4. Is hard to find hosting for, and doesn't come pre-packaged with Apache and other popular web server and other open-sourced software?
5. Has no (as in ZERO) books, online tutorials, instruction on how to use (ok, aside from the obscure web-docs) or other printed materials?
None of this is revelation to us here. We know what we face. I suppose that the answers to the above questions lay in how this product is marketed (as Donovan and team are obviously working on, and list members like Ken are throwing ideas in to) but what is the incentive to either a) switch to it or b) learn it in the first place? The one obvious point is the ease of use, power and simple syntax. I just hope that a compelling argument can be made and presented to show those incentives and that they are enough to convince the public to fork out the money for something that they can otherwise get for free and is much more widely supported and recognized.
I suppose though, that this is the point of such a thread as "WebDNA on LiveCD"; to get ideas kicking.
[/rant]
GJK
At 02:55 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote:
> Its not bad for a test, just not sure if it brings in
> developers like the word "FREE"
So make it FREE -- not the software but at least the CD!
Get someone to create the system and burn the CD's (it's
advertising so the money comes from the advertising budget)
and then WSC can distribute them to us so we can hand them
out to everyone we know who might be interested.
Distribute them in colleges to their programming students
and professors. Make the .iso file downloadable at the WSC
website so people can burn their own CD's if they cannot
find someone to give them one. Make the CD's available
online for $5 to cover postage and offer a $10 rebate when
they buy a license to help defray the postage expense they
had to pay in advance.
There are SO MANY WAYS a physical thing like a CD can be
used for advertising purposes -- and people actually
remember it when someone hands then a CD -- vs. the
impersonal feeling of downloading a file from the website.
------------------------
A nice video presentation on the CD that quickly *shows*
everyone what they should do get started makes it even
better -- and put a copy of this video on YouTube too so it
drums up even more interest.
Hehe, I'm just getting started with the ideas here!
------------------------
If the goal is to get the software in the hands of people
quickly you do NOT simply sit back and "talk about it" or
hope and pray that potential buyers are fortunate enough to
find it online. Instead you become pro-active -- and get
out there and hand the CD's out yourself.
Yeah, it takes time and effort and money, but what do you
expect? Anything that's worth it usually does ... :)
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
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--=====================_155558484==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" [rant] And I don't want to sound overly negative here, but my question has been - how do you convince web-design firms and individual programmers to switch to a product that: 1. Has up front costs as opposed to the free PHP? 2. Has the most minuscule number of coders as compared to the (again) free PHP? 3. Isn't taught in grade school, colleges or tech schools like the (again, again) free PHP? 4. Is hard to find hosting for, and doesn't come pre-packaged with Apache and other popular web server and other open-sourced software? 5. Has no (as in ZERO) books, online tutorials, instruction on how to use (ok, aside from the obscure web-docs) or other printed materials? None of this is revelation to us here. We know what we face. I suppose that the answers to the above questions lay in how this product is marketed (as Donovan and team are obviously working on, and list members like Ken are throwing ideas in to) but what is the incentive to either a) switch to it or b) learn it in the first place? The one obvious point is the ease of use, power and simple syntax. I just hope that a compelling argument can be made and presented to show those incentives and that they are enough to convince the public to fork out the money for something that they can otherwise get for free and is much more widely supported and recognized. I suppose though, that this is the point of such a thread as "WebDNA on LiveCD"; to get ideas kicking. [/rant] GJK At 02:55 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >> Its not bad for a test, just not sure if it brings in >> developers like the word "FREE" > >So make it FREE -- not the software but at least the CD! > >Get someone to create the system and burn the CD's (it's >advertising so the money comes from the advertising budget) >and then WSC can distribute them to us so we can hand them >out to everyone we know who might be interested. > >Distribute them in colleges to their programming students >and professors. Make the .iso file downloadable at the WSC >website so people can burn their own CD's if they cannot >find someone to give them one. Make the CD's available >online for $5 to cover postage and offer a $10 rebate when >they buy a license to help defray the postage expense they >had to pay in advance. > >There are SO MANY WAYS a physical thing like a CD can be >used for advertising purposes -- and people actually >remember it when someone hands then a CD -- vs. the >impersonal feeling of downloading a file from the website. > >------------------------ > >A nice video presentation on the CD that quickly *shows* >everyone what they should do get started makes it even >better -- and put a copy of this video on YouTube too so it >drums up even more interest. > >Hehe, I'm just getting started with the ideas here! > >------------------------ > >If the goal is to get the software in the hands of people >quickly you do NOT simply sit back and "talk about it" or >hope and pray that potential buyers are fortunate enough to >find it online. Instead you become pro-active -- and get >out there and hand the CD's out yourself. > >Yeah, it takes time and effort and money, but what do you >expect? Anything that's worth it usually does ... :) > >Sincerely, >Ken Grome >--------------------------------------------------------- >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >the mailing list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us >old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/ --=====================_155558484==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [rant]
And I don't want to sound overly negative here, but my question has been - how do you convince web-design firms and individual programmers to switch to a product that:
1. Has up front costs as opposed to the free PHP?
2. Has the most minuscule number of coders as compared to the (again) free PHP?
3. Isn't taught in grade school, colleges or tech schools like the (again, again) free PHP?
4. Is hard to find hosting for, and doesn't come pre-packaged with Apache and other popular web server and other open-sourced software?
5. Has no (as in ZERO) books, online tutorials, instruction on how to use (ok, aside from the obscure web-docs) or other printed materials?
None of this is revelation to us here. We know what we face. I suppose that the answers to the above questions lay in how this product is marketed (as Donovan and team are obviously working on, and list members like Ken are throwing ideas in to) but what is the incentive to either a) switch to it or b) learn it in the first place? The one obvious point is the ease of use, power and simple syntax. I just hope that a compelling argument can be made and presented to show those incentives and that they are enough to convince the public to fork out the money for something that they can otherwise get for free and is much more widely supported and recognized.
I suppose though, that this is the point of such a thread as "WebDNA on LiveCD"; to get ideas kicking.
[/rant]
GJK
At 02:55 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote:
> Its not bad for a test, just not sure if it brings in
> developers like the word "FREE"
So make it FREE -- not the software but at least the CD!
Get someone to create the system and burn the CD's (it's
advertising so the money comes from the advertising budget)
and then WSC can distribute them to us so we can hand them
out to everyone we know who might be interested.
Distribute them in colleges to their programming students
and professors. Make the .iso file downloadable at the WSC
website so people can burn their own CD's if they cannot
find someone to give them one. Make the CD's available
online for $5 to cover postage and offer a $10 rebate when
they buy a license to help defray the postage expense they
had to pay in advance.
There are SO MANY WAYS a physical thing like a CD can be
used for advertising purposes -- and people actually
remember it when someone hands then a CD -- vs. the
impersonal feeling of downloading a file from the website.
------------------------
A nice video presentation on the CD that quickly *shows*
everyone what they should do get started makes it even
better -- and put a copy of this video on YouTube too so it
drums up even more interest.
Hehe, I'm just getting started with the ideas here!
------------------------
If the goal is to get the software in the hands of people
quickly you do NOT simply sit back and "talk about it" or
hope and pray that potential buyers are fortunate enough to
find it online. Instead you become pro-active -- and get
out there and hand the CD's out yourself.
Yeah, it takes time and effort and money, but what do you
expect? Anything that's worth it usually does ... :)
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
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