RE: [WebDNA] WebDNA on LiveCD ...
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texte = Guys, Here's my 5 cents. I know we don't participate much in your discussions on= a regular basis but we have done a number of major projects on WebDNA, hav= e 3 products developed on it and various web-based systems in at least two = dozen of Fortune 1000 clients - so I would not consider myself a small fish= in your little pond :) The only problem with WebDNA I have at this point (aside of architectural d= efficiencies that my developers been rambling for years about) - support on= latest versions of MacOS, Linux, Solaris and Intel. Stability is a concer= n too - in last year or two we've seen way more WebDNA crashes under variou= s functions that noone can explain then before. I would also love to have = better MySQL integration but that's a separate discussion. I was preparing to move away and migrate to PHP (and I already do have some= products that are PHP and perl based only) but at this point stopped and l= ooking to see what will happen and how quickly - you do have my support and= faith in you at this point. Not sure what this is worth, but figures I"ll add my voice to the discussio= n. Sorry can't dedicate any time or resources to help with all of this r&d sta= ff - have economy to fight and world to take over. cheers tim Timur Y. Ruban Executive Vice President, FRONTEX 705 North Mountain Road, Newington, CT 06111 web: http://www.frontex.com Office: (860) 953-0240 x101 Cell: (860) 985-5298 Fax: (860) 953-0247 -----Original Message----- From: christophe.billiottet@webdna.us [mailto:christophe.billiottet@webdna.= us] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:40 PM To: talk@webdna.us Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA on LiveCD ... Chris, four months ago, we were in your situation, and we acquired WebDNA exactly for what you say: SMSI inability to update to the current standards. We are working on it now, every day, sometimes nights and weekends. You can imagine that if a billion dollar company has not been able to do it in 4 years, considering the investment was not worth it, we will need more than two months to achieve it. We only have our work, conviction, somewhat limited resources, but we WILL do it, beceause we strongly believe in WebDNA and we sacrified to this product much more than what you can possibly imagine. We have an extremely clear strategic priorities and proper tactics to achieve it, just because there is no other way to succeed. Now, if you think you cannot wait and want to plunge into the php pool, there is nothing we can do to prevent you to do it. Thanks for your concerns about eroding our current support. chris On Oct 10, 2008, at 16:11, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi Chris and Donovan, > > Before I hit send to the list (see below), I decided to share my > thoughts with you privately instead, as I don't want to do anything > that could potentially erode your current support. But with fluff > topics like the color of your logo, product codenames and targeting > newcomers, you need a wake-up call. You should be aware that there > is significant private rumblings and discontent - patience is waning > with some of your key players. This comes from a lot of experience > and is intended in the spirit of support and constructive criticism. > > Best regards, > -Chris > -- > Chris Wilkinson > eWave(r) > http://e-wave.net > p: 805-969-7699 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Greetings list, > > Lots of great thoughts here... Really. > > However, prioritizing the focus on keeping the existing user-base in > business should be paramount and considered the foundation on which > build. The inability to upgrade our servers and maintain current > industry standards has prevented growth and, in my opinion, has > historically posed the greatest risk to the future WebDNA. > > To attract new users, only to find that they can't run it on, let's > say their new Mac/Intel, will only reveal a house of cards. It is my > suspicion that many of the existing user-base are one change in the > various Web standards, or one security assessment away from being > forced to drop WebDNA altogether, or simply loose their biggest and > best clients. > > Again, it is great to see lots of creative ideas being floated, and > some could prove vital to competing in the marketplace with the > likes of PHP, but a lack of a clearly outlined strategic priority at > this precarious point remains a cause for serious concern. I am > thankful that we have at least been able to mask the serious server > stability issues... for now. > > I understand the need to keep development issues and milestones > private, but the fact is that we have been hanging on by a thread > for years and years now. Perhaps you could reassure us with an > acknowledgement of your priorities and goals without revealing > privileged information. In business and life, timing is of the > essence. You are running out of time. > > Best, > -Chris > > On 10/10/08 9:31 AM, "Gary Krockover"
wrote: > >> Thanks Chris - I have faith and confidence in you guys! >> >> Again, sorry that posted multiple times - it bounced several times >> last night when I first tried to post. >> >> I think getting some literature (hard copy) out there would be >> great; though that could take some time to organize and complete. >> >> GJK >> >> At 11:24 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >>> This is why we are targeting newcomers, apprentice programmers, >>> designers and webmasters, because WebDNA is a much easier language >>> to >>> start with than PHP (and as a matter of fact, many webmasters and >>> designers will subcontract PHP programmers while they could build >>> applications themselves using WebDNA). In such a situation, the >>> price >>> becomes anecdotic: $65 or $135 for a single license is nothing >>> compared to the labour and costs you would save by using WebDNA. >>> >>> About grade school, colleges or tech schools, it's up to us (as >>> training/teaching) to introduce this very special language into >>> webdesign schools (rather than programming schools). >>> >>> Books? Brian started to work on a very complete Training Tutorial. >>> We >>> hope he will be able to carry on this great work. >>> >>> There is a lot to do, we know this. But we will do it. All this >>> has a >>> direct benefit for our small community. We are ready to share, >>> because >>> the more involvment we will get from you all, the faster we will >>> make >>> WebDNA an unavoidable language. Help us grow the user base and we >>> will >>> return the favor to you, one way or another. >>> >> - chris >> > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/
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Guys, Here's my 5 cents. I know we don't participate much in your discussions on= a regular basis but we have done a number of major projects on WebDNA, hav= e 3 products developed on it and various web-based systems in at least two = dozen of Fortune 1000 clients - so I would not consider myself a small fish= in your little pond :) The only problem with WebDNA I have at this point (aside of architectural d= efficiencies that my developers been rambling for years about) - support on= latest versions of MacOS, Linux, Solaris and Intel. Stability is a concer= n too - in last year or two we've seen way more WebDNA crashes under variou= s functions that noone can explain then before. I would also love to have = better MySQL integration but that's a separate discussion. I was preparing to move away and migrate to PHP (and I already do have some= products that are PHP and perl based only) but at this point stopped and l= ooking to see what will happen and how quickly - you do have my support and= faith in you at this point. Not sure what this is worth, but figures I"ll add my voice to the discussio= n. Sorry can't dedicate any time or resources to help with all of this r&d sta= ff - have economy to fight and world to take over. cheers tim Timur Y. Ruban Executive Vice President, FRONTEX 705 North Mountain Road, Newington, CT 06111 web: http://www.frontex.com Office: (860) 953-0240 x101 Cell: (860) 985-5298 Fax: (860) 953-0247 -----Original Message----- From: christophe.billiottet@webdna.us [mailto:christophe.billiottet@webdna.= us] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:40 PM To: talk@webdna.us Subject: Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA on LiveCD ... Chris, four months ago, we were in your situation, and we acquired WebDNA exactly for what you say: SMSI inability to update to the current standards. We are working on it now, every day, sometimes nights and weekends. You can imagine that if a billion dollar company has not been able to do it in 4 years, considering the investment was not worth it, we will need more than two months to achieve it. We only have our work, conviction, somewhat limited resources, but we WILL do it, beceause we strongly believe in WebDNA and we sacrified to this product much more than what you can possibly imagine. We have an extremely clear strategic priorities and proper tactics to achieve it, just because there is no other way to succeed. Now, if you think you cannot wait and want to plunge into the php pool, there is nothing we can do to prevent you to do it. Thanks for your concerns about eroding our current support. chris On Oct 10, 2008, at 16:11, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi Chris and Donovan, > > Before I hit send to the list (see below), I decided to share my > thoughts with you privately instead, as I don't want to do anything > that could potentially erode your current support. But with fluff > topics like the color of your logo, product codenames and targeting > newcomers, you need a wake-up call. You should be aware that there > is significant private rumblings and discontent - patience is waning > with some of your key players. This comes from a lot of experience > and is intended in the spirit of support and constructive criticism. > > Best regards, > -Chris > -- > Chris Wilkinson > eWave(r) > http://e-wave.net > p: 805-969-7699 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Greetings list, > > Lots of great thoughts here... Really. > > However, prioritizing the focus on keeping the existing user-base in > business should be paramount and considered the foundation on which > build. The inability to upgrade our servers and maintain current > industry standards has prevented growth and, in my opinion, has > historically posed the greatest risk to the future WebDNA. > > To attract new users, only to find that they can't run it on, let's > say their new Mac/Intel, will only reveal a house of cards. It is my > suspicion that many of the existing user-base are one change in the > various Web standards, or one security assessment away from being > forced to drop WebDNA altogether, or simply loose their biggest and > best clients. > > Again, it is great to see lots of creative ideas being floated, and > some could prove vital to competing in the marketplace with the > likes of PHP, but a lack of a clearly outlined strategic priority at > this precarious point remains a cause for serious concern. I am > thankful that we have at least been able to mask the serious server > stability issues... for now. > > I understand the need to keep development issues and milestones > private, but the fact is that we have been hanging on by a thread > for years and years now. Perhaps you could reassure us with an > acknowledgement of your priorities and goals without revealing > privileged information. In business and life, timing is of the > essence. You are running out of time. > > Best, > -Chris > > On 10/10/08 9:31 AM, "Gary Krockover" wrote: > >> Thanks Chris - I have faith and confidence in you guys! >> >> Again, sorry that posted multiple times - it bounced several times >> last night when I first tried to post. >> >> I think getting some literature (hard copy) out there would be >> great; though that could take some time to organize and complete. >> >> GJK >> >> At 11:24 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >>> This is why we are targeting newcomers, apprentice programmers, >>> designers and webmasters, because WebDNA is a much easier language >>> to >>> start with than PHP (and as a matter of fact, many webmasters and >>> designers will subcontract PHP programmers while they could build >>> applications themselves using WebDNA). In such a situation, the >>> price >>> becomes anecdotic: $65 or $135 for a single license is nothing >>> compared to the labour and costs you would save by using WebDNA. >>> >>> About grade school, colleges or tech schools, it's up to us (as >>> training/teaching) to introduce this very special language into >>> webdesign schools (rather than programming schools). >>> >>> Books? Brian started to work on a very complete Training Tutorial. >>> We >>> hope he will be able to carry on this great work. >>> >>> There is a lot to do, we know this. But we will do it. All this >>> has a >>> direct benefit for our small community. We are ready to share, >>> because >>> the more involvment we will get from you all, the faster we will >>> make >>> WebDNA an unavoidable language. Help us grow the user base and we >>> will >>> return the favor to you, one way or another. >>> >> - chris >> > --------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: archives: http://mail.webdna.us/list/talk@webdna.us old archives: http://dev.webdna.us/TalkListArchive/
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