Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA on LiveCD ...
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numero = 101112
interpreted = N
texte = Timur Ruban wrote: > Guys, > Here's my 5 cents. I know we don't participate much in your > discussions on a regular basis but we have done a number of > major projects on WebDNA, have 3 products developed on it and > various web-based systems in at least two dozen of Fortune > 1000 clients - so I would not consider myself a small fish in > your little pond :) > > The only problem with WebDNA I have at this point (aside > of architectural defficiencies that my developers been rambling > for years about) - support on latest versions of MacOS, Linux, > Solaris and Intel. Stability is a concern too - in last year > or two we've seen way more WebDNA crashes under various functions > that noone can explain then before. I would also love to have > better MySQL integration but that's a separate discussion. > I was preparing to move away and migrate to PHP (and I > already do have some products that are PHP and perl based only) > but at this point stopped and looking to see what will happen > and how quickly - you do have my support and faith in you at > this point. > > Not sure what this is worth, but figures I"ll add my voice to > the discussion. > > Sorry can't dedicate any time or resources to help with all > of this r&d staff - have economy to fight and world to take over. > > cheers > tim Hey Tim (and everyone), I'll take a little break from development to respond to you. First, I appreciate your tone and support. I can relate to everything you said over my years of working with WebDNA to make a living... the complaints about the (non-standard) architecture (mostly from hard-core linux people) ;-), the increased compatibility problems, and yes, even the beginnings of moving to PHP when product support was on the down slope. I don't see one thing you stated here that we are not hard at work on... including the MySQL fixes. But, as Chris stated, we are working with the budget and resources that we have, and that we are slowly but consistently gaining. For the other comments; in this game, priorities are sometimes made for you.. and it is nice when we get to make them. With our budget right now, you can expect us to work on the core issues... compatibility and bugs, along with a good marketing campaign mostly. Does that mean we don't listen to ideas? no. We welcome ideas (especially ideas with a good tone) ;-), but I think every programmer knows that "ideas" are the easy part. So I ask you guys/gals to have patience in that area... good and robust changes will come. (I hope that helps clarify the priorities that I saw some remarks about) Just a reminder.. Christophe and myself have yet to take payment of any kind in this venture. This is because we want to see WebDNA become a success and are committed to doing so... and we have absolute faith that it will. I just state this reminder because I think there may be a couple people who don't understand that reviving WebDNA is a sacrifice that some of us are making. We do this because we know that, even with WebDNA's problems, there is this great underlying language and tool that is a real value in our field. I am reminded of this every time I go to implement a new feature or function for my, or my clients WebSite's. There is no denying certain joys and benefits of the WebDNA language. These other things, the compatibility, better crash diognostics etc.. are all fixable. The intellectual property however, remains what it is... a very valid and significant tool. That's all! Have a good weekend! Donovan P.S., for those that want to help,.. buy a license or three! (every little bit helps with the speed in which we can improve this tool) -- Donovan D. Brooke PH/FAX: 1 (608) 291-2024 ---------------------------------------------- VP WebDNA Software Corporation 16192 Coastal Highway Lewes, DE 19958
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Timur Ruban wrote: > Guys, > Here's my 5 cents. I know we don't participate much in your > discussions on a regular basis but we have done a number of > major projects on WebDNA, have 3 products developed on it and > various web-based systems in at least two dozen of Fortune > 1000 clients - so I would not consider myself a small fish in > your little pond :) > > The only problem with WebDNA I have at this point (aside > of architectural defficiencies that my developers been rambling > for years about) - support on latest versions of MacOS, Linux, > Solaris and Intel. Stability is a concern too - in last year > or two we've seen way more WebDNA crashes under various functions > that noone can explain then before. I would also love to have > better MySQL integration but that's a separate discussion. > I was preparing to move away and migrate to PHP (and I > already do have some products that are PHP and perl based only) > but at this point stopped and looking to see what will happen > and how quickly - you do have my support and faith in you at > this point. > > Not sure what this is worth, but figures I"ll add my voice to > the discussion. > > Sorry can't dedicate any time or resources to help with all > of this r&d staff - have economy to fight and world to take over. > > cheers > tim Hey Tim (and everyone), I'll take a little break from development to respond to you. First, I appreciate your tone and support. I can relate to everything you said over my years of working with WebDNA to make a living... the complaints about the (non-standard) architecture (mostly from hard-core linux people) ;-), the increased compatibility problems, and yes, even the beginnings of moving to PHP when product support was on the down slope. I don't see one thing you stated here that we are not hard at work on... including the MySQL fixes. But, as Chris stated, we are working with the budget and resources that we have, and that we are slowly but consistently gaining. For the other comments; in this game, priorities are sometimes made for you.. and it is nice when we get to make them. With our budget right now, you can expect us to work on the core issues... compatibility and bugs, along with a good marketing campaign mostly. Does that mean we don't listen to ideas? no. We welcome ideas (especially ideas with a good tone) ;-), but I think every programmer knows that "ideas" are the easy part. So I ask you guys/gals to have patience in that area... good and robust changes will come. (I hope that helps clarify the priorities that I saw some remarks about) Just a reminder.. Christophe and myself have yet to take payment of any kind in this venture. This is because we want to see WebDNA become a success and are committed to doing so... and we have absolute faith that it will. I just state this reminder because I think there may be a couple people who don't understand that reviving WebDNA is a sacrifice that some of us are making. We do this because we know that, even with WebDNA's problems, there is this great underlying language and tool that is a real value in our field. I am reminded of this every time I go to implement a new feature or function for my, or my clients WebSite's. There is no denying certain joys and benefits of the WebDNA language. These other things, the compatibility, better crash diognostics etc.. are all fixable. The intellectual property however, remains what it is... a very valid and significant tool. That's all! Have a good weekend! Donovan P.S., for those that want to help,.. buy a license or three! (every little bit helps with the speed in which we can improve this tool) -- Donovan D. Brooke PH/FAX: 1 (608) 291-2024 ---------------------------------------------- VP WebDNA Software Corporation 16192 Coastal Highway Lewes, DE 19958
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