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texte = Chris, four months ago, we were in your situation, and we acquired =20 WebDNA exactly for what you say: SMSI inability to update to the =20 current standards. We are working on it now, every day, sometimes =20 nights and weekends. You can imagine that if a billion dollar company =20= has not been able to do it in 4 years, considering the investment was =20= not worth it, we will need more than two months to achieve it. We only have our work, conviction, somewhat limited resources, but we =20= WILL do it, beceause we strongly believe in WebDNA and we sacrified to =20= this product much more than what you can possibly imagine. We have an extremely clear strategic priorities and proper tactics to =20= achieve it, just because there is no other way to succeed. Now, if you think you cannot wait and want to plunge into the php =20 pool, there is nothing we can do to prevent you to do it. Thanks for your concerns about eroding our current support. chris On Oct 10, 2008, at 16:11, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi Chris and Donovan, > > Before I hit send to the list (see below), I decided to share my =20 > thoughts with you privately instead, as I don=92t want to do anything =20= > that could potentially erode your current support. But with fluff =20 > topics like the color of your logo, product codenames and targeting =20= > newcomers, you need a wake-up call. You should be aware that there =20 > is significant private rumblings and discontent - patience is waning =20= > with some of your key players. This comes from a lot of experience =20 > and is intended in the spirit of support and constructive criticism. > > Best regards, > -Chris > --=20 > Chris Wilkinson > eWave=AE > http://e-wave.net > p: 805-969-7699 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Greetings list, > > Lots of great thoughts here... Really. > > However, prioritizing the focus on keeping the existing user-base in =20= > business should be paramount and considered the foundation on which =20= > build. The inability to upgrade our servers and maintain current =20 > industry standards has prevented growth and, in my opinion, has =20 > historically posed the greatest risk to the future WebDNA. > > To attract new users, only to find that they can=92t run it on, let=92s = =20 > say their new Mac/Intel, will only reveal a house of cards. It is my =20= > suspicion that many of the existing user-base are one change in the =20= > various Web standards, or one security assessment away from being =20 > forced to drop WebDNA altogether, or simply loose their biggest and =20= > best clients. > > Again, it is great to see lots of creative ideas being floated, and =20= > some could prove vital to competing in the marketplace with the =20 > likes of PHP, but a lack of a clearly outlined strategic priority at =20= > this precarious point remains a cause for serious concern. I am =20 > thankful that we have at least been able to mask the serious server =20= > stability issues... for now. > > I understand the need to keep development issues and milestones =20 > private, but the fact is that we have been hanging on by a thread =20 > for years and years now. Perhaps you could reassure us with an =20 > acknowledgement of your priorities and goals without revealing =20 > privileged information. In business and life, timing is of the =20 > essence. You are running out of time. > > Best, > -Chris > > On 10/10/08 9:31 AM, "Gary Krockover"
wrote: > >> Thanks Chris - I have faith and confidence in you guys! >> >> Again, sorry that posted multiple times - it bounced several times =20= >> last night when I first tried to post. >> >> I think getting some literature (hard copy) out there would be =20 >> great; though that could take some time to organize and complete. >> >> GJK >> >> At 11:24 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >>> This is why we are targeting newcomers, apprentice programmers, >>> designers and webmasters, because WebDNA is a much easier language =20= >>> to >>> start with than PHP (and as a matter of fact, many webmasters and >>> designers will subcontract PHP programmers while they could build >>> applications themselves using WebDNA). In such a situation, the =20 >>> price >>> becomes anecdotic: $65 or $135 for a single license is nothing >>> compared to the labour and costs you would save by using WebDNA. >>> >>> About grade school, colleges or tech schools, it's up to us (as >>> training/teaching) to introduce this very special language into >>> webdesign schools (rather than programming schools). >>> >>> Books? Brian started to work on a very complete Training Tutorial. =20= >>> We >>> hope he will be able to carry on this great work. >>> >>> There is a lot to do, we know this. But we will do it. All this =20 >>> has a >>> direct benefit for our small community. We are ready to share, =20 >>> because >>> the more involvment we will get from you all, the faster we will =20 >>> make >>> WebDNA an unavoidable language. Help us grow the user base and we =20= >>> will >>> return the favor to you, one way or another. >>> >> - chris >> >
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Chris, four months ago, we were in your situation, and we acquired =20 WebDNA exactly for what you say: SMSI inability to update to the =20 current standards. We are working on it now, every day, sometimes =20 nights and weekends. You can imagine that if a billion dollar company =20= has not been able to do it in 4 years, considering the investment was =20= not worth it, we will need more than two months to achieve it. We only have our work, conviction, somewhat limited resources, but we =20= WILL do it, beceause we strongly believe in WebDNA and we sacrified to =20= this product much more than what you can possibly imagine. We have an extremely clear strategic priorities and proper tactics to =20= achieve it, just because there is no other way to succeed. Now, if you think you cannot wait and want to plunge into the php =20 pool, there is nothing we can do to prevent you to do it. Thanks for your concerns about eroding our current support. chris On Oct 10, 2008, at 16:11, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi Chris and Donovan, > > Before I hit send to the list (see below), I decided to share my =20 > thoughts with you privately instead, as I don=92t want to do anything =20= > that could potentially erode your current support. But with fluff =20 > topics like the color of your logo, product codenames and targeting =20= > newcomers, you need a wake-up call. You should be aware that there =20 > is significant private rumblings and discontent - patience is waning =20= > with some of your key players. This comes from a lot of experience =20 > and is intended in the spirit of support and constructive criticism. > > Best regards, > -Chris > --=20 > Chris Wilkinson > eWave=AE > http://e-wave.net > p: 805-969-7699 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > Greetings list, > > Lots of great thoughts here... Really. > > However, prioritizing the focus on keeping the existing user-base in =20= > business should be paramount and considered the foundation on which =20= > build. The inability to upgrade our servers and maintain current =20 > industry standards has prevented growth and, in my opinion, has =20 > historically posed the greatest risk to the future WebDNA. > > To attract new users, only to find that they can=92t run it on, let=92s = =20 > say their new Mac/Intel, will only reveal a house of cards. It is my =20= > suspicion that many of the existing user-base are one change in the =20= > various Web standards, or one security assessment away from being =20 > forced to drop WebDNA altogether, or simply loose their biggest and =20= > best clients. > > Again, it is great to see lots of creative ideas being floated, and =20= > some could prove vital to competing in the marketplace with the =20 > likes of PHP, but a lack of a clearly outlined strategic priority at =20= > this precarious point remains a cause for serious concern. I am =20 > thankful that we have at least been able to mask the serious server =20= > stability issues... for now. > > I understand the need to keep development issues and milestones =20 > private, but the fact is that we have been hanging on by a thread =20 > for years and years now. Perhaps you could reassure us with an =20 > acknowledgement of your priorities and goals without revealing =20 > privileged information. In business and life, timing is of the =20 > essence. You are running out of time. > > Best, > -Chris > > On 10/10/08 9:31 AM, "Gary Krockover" wrote: > >> Thanks Chris - I have faith and confidence in you guys! >> >> Again, sorry that posted multiple times - it bounced several times =20= >> last night when I first tried to post. >> >> I think getting some literature (hard copy) out there would be =20 >> great; though that could take some time to organize and complete. >> >> GJK >> >> At 11:24 AM 10/10/2008, you wrote: >>> This is why we are targeting newcomers, apprentice programmers, >>> designers and webmasters, because WebDNA is a much easier language =20= >>> to >>> start with than PHP (and as a matter of fact, many webmasters and >>> designers will subcontract PHP programmers while they could build >>> applications themselves using WebDNA). In such a situation, the =20 >>> price >>> becomes anecdotic: $65 or $135 for a single license is nothing >>> compared to the labour and costs you would save by using WebDNA. >>> >>> About grade school, colleges or tech schools, it's up to us (as >>> training/teaching) to introduce this very special language into >>> webdesign schools (rather than programming schools). >>> >>> Books? Brian started to work on a very complete Training Tutorial. =20= >>> We >>> hope he will be able to carry on this great work. >>> >>> There is a lot to do, we know this. But we will do it. All this =20 >>> has a >>> direct benefit for our small community. We are ready to share, =20 >>> because >>> the more involvment we will get from you all, the faster we will =20 >>> make >>> WebDNA an unavoidable language. Help us grow the user base and we =20= >>> will >>> return the favor to you, one way or another. >>> >> - chris >> >
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