Re: [WebDNA] WebDNA on LiveCD ...
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texte = > About booting from a CD, this would mean several CD > versions with an OS copy for every single system ... Nope, read one of my previous posts to understand the LiveCD concept, I explained it quite clearly I think, although you may have missed it because I think our posts crossed. > Writing to the disk would not be possible ... Yes it would, the OS takes care of this on a system-wide basis. The explanation is in my previous post which you will probably have read by the time I post this. ----------------- I could make a basic LiveCD in a couple days if I had a version of WebDNA that installs on MiniMe Linux and plays nicely with Nginx or another lightweight web server ... but I don't have such a version. Do you? If I'm not mistaken a CGI version would run on all these servers but there's none available. See why I'm so interested in a universal (CGI) version to be released ASAP? MiniMe is the most beautiful incarnation of Linux I have ever seen that's available as a LiveCD and still small enough to fit onto a 700MB CD with plenty of room to spare for all the other software that needs to be included, so that's my OS preference for this particular LiveCD concept. Nginx is my preferred http server but unless there's a WebDNA version that works with it (or some other lightweight HTTP server) we're stuck again ... waiting for a functional version of WebDNA to become available before we can make any progress in this direction. > If the idea is to allow newcomers to test WebDNA > right away without modifying their disk, an interative > online version would probably be better, expanding > Gary's idea. The idea (MY idea anyways) is to use physical CD's as a marketing tool. I'm talking about good old fashioned PRODUCTS here folks -- not virtual or online stuff! If one of your programming friends hands you a WebDNA LiveCD and tells you it's awesome software are you really going to use it as a coaster? No of course not, you'll be interested and intrigued -- and the suspense will not let you rest until you see what's on that CD ... and then WebDNA itself will take over and do the rest of the selling job on its own. If your college professor hands you a WebDNA LiveCD and tells you to go home and build a dynamic web page according to the instructions on the CD are you going to use it as a Frisbee? No, you'll go home, boot up the MiniMe Linux OS, read the assignment and start working as soon as you get back to your dorm room. Sure, you can send someone a link to your demo server but that's no way to create suspense or intrigue, it's "just another link" and far easier to overlook than a physical disk with eye-catching graphics and a short auto-run movie that introduces WebDNA in the user's existing OS even before he shuts down to reboot into the MimiMe/NginX/WebDNA environment. ----------------- I think the online testing environment idea has merit, but I also think it's a poor substitute for the marketing concept I'm suggesting. Besides, wouldn't it take months to get it up and running properly, and isn't that time better spent developing the CGI version -- so you'll have a sellable product faster? I mean, it seems to me that even with a demo website you're still going to have a problem selling WebDNA when it runs on almost NO web servers instead of almost ALL of them, right? Investing time in anything other than the release of a universal version seems like putting the cart before the horse. That's how I see it anyways. Then again it's your [cart] ... :) Sincerely, Ken Grome
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> About booting from a CD, this would mean several CD > versions with an OS copy for every single system ... Nope, read one of my previous posts to understand the LiveCD concept, I explained it quite clearly I think, although you may have missed it because I think our posts crossed. > Writing to the disk would not be possible ... Yes it would, the OS takes care of this on a system-wide basis. The explanation is in my previous post which you will probably have read by the time I post this. ----------------- I could make a basic LiveCD in a couple days if I had a version of WebDNA that installs on MiniMe Linux and plays nicely with Nginx or another lightweight web server ... but I don't have such a version. Do you? If I'm not mistaken a CGI version would run on all these servers but there's none available. See why I'm so interested in a universal (CGI) version to be released ASAP? MiniMe is the most beautiful incarnation of Linux I have ever seen that's available as a LiveCD and still small enough to fit onto a 700MB CD with plenty of room to spare for all the other software that needs to be included, so that's my OS preference for this particular LiveCD concept. Nginx is my preferred http server but unless there's a WebDNA version that works with it (or some other lightweight HTTP server) we're stuck again ... waiting for a functional version of WebDNA to become available before we can make any progress in this direction. > If the idea is to allow newcomers to test WebDNA > right away without modifying their disk, an interative > online version would probably be better, expanding > Gary's idea. The idea (MY idea anyways) is to use physical CD's as a marketing tool. I'm talking about good old fashioned PRODUCTS here folks -- not virtual or online stuff! If one of your programming friends hands you a WebDNA LiveCD and tells you it's awesome software are you really going to use it as a coaster? No of course not, you'll be interested and intrigued -- and the suspense will not let you rest until you see what's on that CD ... and then WebDNA itself will take over and do the rest of the selling job on its own. If your college professor hands you a WebDNA LiveCD and tells you to go home and build a dynamic web page according to the instructions on the CD are you going to use it as a Frisbee? No, you'll go home, boot up the MiniMe Linux OS, read the assignment and start working as soon as you get back to your dorm room. Sure, you can send someone a link to your demo server but that's no way to create suspense or intrigue, it's "just another link" and far easier to overlook than a physical disk with eye-catching graphics and a short auto-run movie that introduces WebDNA in the user's existing OS even before he shuts down to reboot into the MimiMe/NginX/WebDNA environment. ----------------- I think the online testing environment idea has merit, but I also think it's a poor substitute for the marketing concept I'm suggesting. Besides, wouldn't it take months to get it up and running properly, and isn't that time better spent developing the CGI version -- so you'll have a sellable product faster? I mean, it seems to me that even with a demo website you're still going to have a problem selling WebDNA when it runs on almost NO web servers instead of almost ALL of them, right? Investing time in anything other than the release of a universal version seems like putting the cart before the horse. That's how I see it anyways. Then again it's your
[cart] ... :) Sincerely, Ken Grome
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