Re: Here we go again...
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texte = Yes that is what I am saying. Tab-delimited text files... It really = makes many non-webdna developers "wonder". -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of Dan Strong Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Here we go again... I've also never used any flavor of SQL, but I've dabbled with Access -- = to the point where I=20 realized I could do everything I was trying to do in WebDNA in about 1/4 = the time :)... yeah, I've=20 tried to explain to non-webdna developers that I simply use tab-delimted = text files to do my thing=20 and they just stare at me blankly... it's sort of funny to me now. -Dan On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:42:44 -0600 Pat McCormick
wrote: > Actually WebDNA doesn't use a flat file. That is the case for the = older Typhoon version, but=20 >WebDNA, simply because it can have multiple databases open, is no = longer a flat file system. >=20 > The difference is that WebDNA doesn't formalize the structure of a db = in any way. You are=20 >responsible for define a sku or key field and there are some nice = tools to assist the process,=20 >like [cart]. Comparing that with SQL or Access, those products get = more antsy about key fields,=20 >and field formats in general. They also enforce the idea of a database = consisting of a=20 >collection of tables, which is also confusing nonsense. >=20 > The purpose for products like Oracle, SQL and other "databases" is to = encrypt your text so that=20 >you need to buy their products to see your text. Web-DNA is the = un-database database. Create=20 >your own relationships. All key fields are optional. Structure your = project any way you want,=20 >even using virtual databases ([table]), and to make it even better, = keep all the data in plain=20 >text so you can x-ray the files at any time using any text tool. Ya = gotta love that! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 31, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Bess Ho wrote: >=20 >> WebDNA is using flat file for storing data. It is not a =20 >> relationship database like MySQL. Also once your flat file grow =20 >> beyond roughly 2 GB (check with Network Admin to verify the size), =20 >> you can't run data very well. The go-around solution is to break =20 >> down WebDNA database into smaller chunks for faster performance. =20 >> You really need Relationship Database for scaleable application. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf = Of >> Kenneth Grome >> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:55 AM >> To: WebDNA Talk >> Subject: Re: Here we go again... >> >> >> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:05:55 -0500, Terry Wilson wrote: >>> ... you never know when you'll be required to start doing something = a >>> certain way; or at some point, an old solution just isn't good = enough >>> or fast enough any longer ... >> >> >> Example: >> >> A client of mine preferred webdna but his searches were too slow, =20 >> so he hired me to debug and fix them. His code was fine but the =20 >> database files were not configured to optimize webdna's =20 >> performance, so I could only recommend two options: (1) =20 >> reconfigure the databases (not a good solution because updated data =20 >> files came from another source frequently) ... or (2) switch to =20 >> MySQL and give that a try ... >> >> I really didn't know if MySQL could handle the task any faster than =20 >> webdna and I told him this, but he went for it anyways. He said =20 >> webdna hosting cost too much anyways, and since he wasn't committed =20 >> to using it on his server anyways (although he enjoyed personally =20 >> mocking up web sites because it's east for a non-programmer to use) =20 >> he decided to go with PHP and MySQL. >> >> The moment we switched his search times dropped from about 10 =20 >> seconds to less than two seconds. I think the reason is two-fold: =20 >> (1) he had database files that were too large for webdna to RAM-=20 >> cache efficiently, and (2) we were doing nested searches, and =20 >> webdna is pretty slow sometimes when using nested searches, =20 >> especially with large db files. >> >> The bottom line is that he "outgrew" webdna for use on his server, =20 >> and now he's happy again with a faster free solution. I think this =20 >> type of situation is going to become more and more common as webdna =20 >> continues to be less and less aggressively developed, supported and =20 >> marketed. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> >> owner@kengrome.com >> kengrome@gmail.com >> www.kengrome.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > digest@talk.smithmicro.com> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > digest@talk.smithmicro.com> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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Yes that is what I am saying. Tab-delimited text files... It really = makes many non-webdna developers "wonder". -----Original Message----- From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf Of Dan Strong Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:02 AM To: WebDNA Talk Subject: Re: Here we go again... I've also never used any flavor of SQL, but I've dabbled with Access -- = to the point where I=20 realized I could do everything I was trying to do in WebDNA in about 1/4 = the time :)... yeah, I've=20 tried to explain to non-webdna developers that I simply use tab-delimted = text files to do my thing=20 and they just stare at me blankly... it's sort of funny to me now. -Dan On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:42:44 -0600 Pat McCormick wrote: > Actually WebDNA doesn't use a flat file. That is the case for the = older Typhoon version, but=20 >WebDNA, simply because it can have multiple databases open, is no = longer a flat file system. >=20 > The difference is that WebDNA doesn't formalize the structure of a db = in any way. You are=20 >responsible for define a sku or key field and there are some nice = tools to assist the process,=20 >like [cart]. Comparing that with SQL or Access, those products get = more antsy about key fields,=20 >and field formats in general. They also enforce the idea of a database = consisting of a=20 >collection of tables, which is also confusing nonsense. >=20 > The purpose for products like Oracle, SQL and other "databases" is to = encrypt your text so that=20 >you need to buy their products to see your text. Web-DNA is the = un-database database. Create=20 >your own relationships. All key fields are optional. Structure your = project any way you want,=20 >even using virtual databases ([table]), and to make it even better, = keep all the data in plain=20 >text so you can x-ray the files at any time using any text tool. Ya = gotta love that! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 31, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Bess Ho wrote: >=20 >> WebDNA is using flat file for storing data. It is not a =20 >> relationship database like MySQL. Also once your flat file grow =20 >> beyond roughly 2 GB (check with Network Admin to verify the size), =20 >> you can't run data very well. The go-around solution is to break =20 >> down WebDNA database into smaller chunks for faster performance. =20 >> You really need Relationship Database for scaleable application. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WebDNA Talk [mailto:WebDNA-Talk@talk.smithmicro.com]On Behalf = Of >> Kenneth Grome >> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:55 AM >> To: WebDNA Talk >> Subject: Re: Here we go again... >> >> >> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:05:55 -0500, Terry Wilson wrote: >>> ... you never know when you'll be required to start doing something = a >>> certain way; or at some point, an old solution just isn't good = enough >>> or fast enough any longer ... >> >> >> Example: >> >> A client of mine preferred webdna but his searches were too slow, =20 >> so he hired me to debug and fix them. His code was fine but the =20 >> database files were not configured to optimize webdna's =20 >> performance, so I could only recommend two options: (1) =20 >> reconfigure the databases (not a good solution because updated data =20 >> files came from another source frequently) ... or (2) switch to =20 >> MySQL and give that a try ... >> >> I really didn't know if MySQL could handle the task any faster than =20 >> webdna and I told him this, but he went for it anyways. He said =20 >> webdna hosting cost too much anyways, and since he wasn't committed =20 >> to using it on his server anyways (although he enjoyed personally =20 >> mocking up web sites because it's east for a non-programmer to use) =20 >> he decided to go with PHP and MySQL. >> >> The moment we switched his search times dropped from about 10 =20 >> seconds to less than two seconds. I think the reason is two-fold: =20 >> (1) he had database files that were too large for webdna to RAM-=20 >> cache efficiently, and (2) we were doing nested searches, and =20 >> webdna is pretty slow sometimes when using nested searches, =20 >> especially with large db files. >> >> The bottom line is that he "outgrew" webdna for use on his server, =20 >> and now he's happy again with a faster free solution. I think this =20 >> type of situation is going to become more and more common as webdna =20 >> continues to be less and less aggressively developed, supported and =20 >> marketed. >> >> Sincerely, >> Kenneth Grome >> >> owner@kengrome.com >> kengrome@gmail.com >> www.kengrome.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > digest@talk.smithmicro.com> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > digest@talk.smithmicro.com> >> Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ >> >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to = > Web Archive of this list is at: http://webdna.smithmicro.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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